The remarks by the Secretary General were about the actions of the Israeli government and not about Jewish people in general.
Antisemitism is bigotry against all Jewish people because they’re Jewish, not valid criticism of a government because it has committed countless atrocities for many decades.
Claiming that all criticism of Israeli government is antisemitic (which is what the one I responded to seemed to be doing) amounts to declare that government representative of all Jews, which is itself antisemitic.
So unless I misunderstood his meaning, I stand by my original reply.
The person you replied to was being sarcastic, but that is what Israel is claiming and always has.
From the article:
“There is no justification or point in talking to those who show compassion for the most terrible atrocities committed against the citizens of Israel and the Jewish people,” he added on the social media platform.
Your leap “[…] amounts to declare that government representative of all Jews” is large enough to qualify for a world record of some form. How in Earth’s name did you reach that conclusion? If I imply that criticizing the King of England is hateful against Englishmen am I really then implying that every Englishman loves the King? Even his detractors?
I can’t at all follow your logic. The poster is mocking Israel for the habit of supporters of the Israeli government of accusing any non-Jew criticizing them of antisemitism.
If I imply that criticizing the King of England is hateful against Englishmen am I really then implying that every Englishman loves the King?
No, but you ARE falsely conflating criticism of (the actions of) a person with bigotry towards a people. Those things are in no way the same.
Even worse in the case of Israel, where being Jewish isn’t a nationality but an ethnicity and a religion with many of the people belonging to both or either being in fierce opposition to the atrocities of the Israeli government.
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Where did he say (or equate) all Jewish people?
The remarks by the Secretary General were about the actions of the Israeli government and not about Jewish people in general.
Antisemitism is bigotry against all Jewish people because they’re Jewish, not valid criticism of a government because it has committed countless atrocities for many decades.
Yes? But also why type that as a response here, now? Screams whataboutism even if that wasn’t the intention.
Claiming that all criticism of Israeli government is antisemitic (which is what the one I responded to seemed to be doing) amounts to declare that government representative of all Jews, which is itself antisemitic.
So unless I misunderstood his meaning, I stand by my original reply.
It’s sarcasm the way I’m reading it, i.e. he is saying the the UN chief is providing context and that is being deemed as antisemitic, which it’s not.
The Israeli ambassador is conflating the state with the entire set of Jewish people, which as you said is itself antisemitic
I think you’re both on the same page
Oh! Guess I’m the idiot with a malfunctioning sarcasm detector then! My bad!
(That wasn’t sarcasm btw, in case there’s any doubt)
The person you replied to was being sarcastic, but that is what Israel is claiming and always has.
From the article: “There is no justification or point in talking to those who show compassion for the most terrible atrocities committed against the citizens of Israel and the Jewish people,” he added on the social media platform.
Your leap “[…] amounts to declare that government representative of all Jews” is large enough to qualify for a world record of some form. How in Earth’s name did you reach that conclusion? If I imply that criticizing the King of England is hateful against Englishmen am I really then implying that every Englishman loves the King? Even his detractors?
I can’t at all follow your logic. The poster is mocking Israel for the habit of supporters of the Israeli government of accusing any non-Jew criticizing them of antisemitism.
No, but you ARE falsely conflating criticism of (the actions of) a person with bigotry towards a people. Those things are in no way the same.
Even worse in the case of Israel, where being Jewish isn’t a nationality but an ethnicity and a religion with many of the people belonging to both or either being in fierce opposition to the atrocities of the Israeli government.