Donald Trump’s campaign spokesman defended Trump using “vermin” to describe his enemies, while historians compared his language to Hitler, Mousselini.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    44
    ·
    1 year ago

    He’s not a convicted rapist. It was a civil trial, not a criminal one. The trial decided that he did sexually assault E. Jean Carroll (but not legally rape, although the judge said it was rape despite the legal definition) but that resulted in a ruling for damages. The statute of limitations for a criminal trial had passed.

    So he’s not a convicted rapist, but the judge at his civil trial involving rape said he was a rapist. But that’s why he isn’t a registered sex offender.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        1 year ago

        No problem. I wish he had been convicted obviously. And I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the only time he’s raped a woman. But like so many other things in his life, he’s gotten away with it.

      • paintbucketholder@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        1 year ago

        A jury if his peers still found that Trump was a rapist. The judge in that trial clarified that the jury finding meant that Trump was a rapist.

        This was after the Trump camp claimed, after losing the defamation suit, that none of this meant that Trump was a rapist.

        So the judge explicitly clarified that the jury had found that Trump had committed rape.

        • aidan@lemmy.worldM
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Found that he was more likely a rapist, not a rapist beyond a reasonable doubt.

          • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Trump was found to be a rapist by a jury because he used his fingers to sexually assault and violate a woman. The judge clarified that Trump raped Jean carroll.

            Those conclusions are beyond reasonable doubt.

            • aidan@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Those conclusions are beyond reasonable doubt.

              No that’s literally not what they found, because it was not a criminal trial. That wasn’t the burden of proof. He may be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but a civil court is not legally capable of proving that.

              • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                Trump was not criminally convicted as his rape trial was a civil case, not criminal.

                Those jurors found Trump responsible for digital rape that in New york is defined as sexual assault, that the judge clarifiedas rape because trump violated a woman sexually, the new york legal term is just too narrow here for the finding because he used his fingers to violate her vagina.

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

                Still rape.

                Your doubt is your own, but seems unreasonable.

                • aidan@lemmy.worldM
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  7
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I’m talking about the legal term, reasonable doubt. To prove something beyond a reasonable doubt in a court is a different process. One that isn’t done in a civil court, therefore it can’t prove it. That doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, just that a civil court can’t prove that.

                  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    5
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    So you’re just agreeing with what everyone else has clarified, that this is a civil, not criminal trial.

                    The jury and judge found Trump liable for rape. This finding is beyond a reasonable doubt.

                    No, baby hands is not criminally liable beyond a reasonable doubt, he is civilly liable for rape beyond a reasonable doubt according to judge and jury.

    • BenadrylChunderHatch@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      The problem is that calling it sexual assault doesn’t make it clear that he penetrated her with his penis without consent. The only reason it’s not “rape” is that it wasn’t a criminal trial.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        The reason it’s not considered rape is because it didn’t fit New York state’s archaic legal definition of rape.