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      So look, I’m all for a complete revamp of this trash electoral system and the shitty “government” it allegedly controls, but until we have a unified movement of hundreds of millions of people behind that, it isn’t happening without years of instability and many failed attempts.

      So yes, I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils.

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          You’ve never chosen the lesser of two evils because you didn’t have any other practical options?

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              Oh, in that case you’ve convinced me. Solid point, and well-articulated at that.

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                Nobody’s trying to convince you, we’re several decades past expecting liberals to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

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                  I admit that my vote for Biden is a portion of the reason Biden’s in office, and Biden being in office is a portion of the reason the USA is funding genocide. No I’m not fucking proud of it.

                  What’s the viable AND better alternative to Biden in 2024?

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                    Just because there isn’t a better option doesn’t mean you have to choose a bad option that’s literally the deffinition of the illusion of choice.

                    If somebody told me theybwere either going to slap me in the face or kick me in the balls and I said “what about I pick neither of those things” would you also show up to smugly lecture me

                    Especially if I was using the time to do things that would actually protect people from the consequences like setting up communal support structures to get together and make sure nobody gets slapped or kicked

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              Yes, no duh, but I mean options that are practical for me to do until other people finally agree to organize/unionize and make everything better for each other

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                  I have a single vote that I can use in the 2024 presidential election. There are two ways that vote can go. One is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people, and the other is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people AND the extermination of whatever shred of American democracy there is left.

                  Tell me, is there some other way I can use my vote that has a good chance of making a difference or are we all just as fucked as it seems like we are?

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                    There aren’t any shreds of American democracy and there never have been. I don’t know what country you live in, but I’m an American and we’ve never had democracy here.

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                    You could vote for somebody who doesn’t support genocie and vocally declare you won’t vote for anybody doing a genocide until the dems run somebody who doesn’t do genocide.

                    I know not actively supporting genocide is an unreasonable bar for liberals but you asked.

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            You keep saying lesser of two evils.

            The only difference I’ve seen between Trump and Biden is now that Biden is president libs scream at progressives to stop complaining because it makes them look bad.

            Well that and when republican was president dems said tou had tonvote for them or else we’d lose abortion access, transgender people would lose rights, and covid would run rampant.

            So we all voted for Biden and now there’s no abortion protection, Trans people are loosing rights, we ignored the oandemic and cut all relief efforts, and now we’re supporting and funding the worst genocide in a generation.

            If you’re going to argue you’re the lesser of two evils you might want to try being less evil.

            When Trump was president Pelosi was dressing up in fucking African garments pretending to support those ideas.

            Bidens president and they’re all voting to establish that criticizing Isreal is antisemitism.

            Rank and file liberals are literally worse under a democratic president.

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            Biden and Trump are equally evil and either of them being president is a disaster for the world. They’re exactly the same in terms of political outcome and I’m never issuing support for either, both are imperialist and responsible for genocide. I’m never voting for either, even if it would simply be ceremonial.

            And don’t even come with me with I’ll be responsible for Trump then. I don’t care. I do not see any difference between the two. I live in Texas anyway so my presidential vote simply doesn’t matter.

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        Not gonna get that by rolling over for the democrats as they continue to become more and more right wing. Your support is part of the problem. You wanna move a party left? Deny them power until they do or why would they bother? They already have your support even if you hate them. You’re their sub