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And with it goes me using Reddit, too. The official app is just sooooo bad and I barely check Reddit on my computer.
God, I feel so bad for Christian. What a slap in the face….
“Swallow all your morals. They’re a poor man’s quality.” - spez, probably
Indirectly in the face of every user
You’re not wrong. A little more impactful for Christian though considering the time and effort he put in to arguably the best Reddit experience outside of old.reddit. Oh well… time for a new kid on the block.
This is really sad. I rarely posted on Reddit, and I mostly use it as an information source, but Apollo is how I mostly interacted with the platform, and when I did post, it was always through Apollo.
One silver lining is I found Beehaw as a result, and I like interacting and posting here, so I guess… thanks for being shit Reddit!
That was the final straw for me too. Currently purging all my accounts from Reddit now. I look forward to being a part of this community.
Haha I literally just came from that post! I left the app, downloaded lemmy, made an account, and apparently get to pick up right where I started.
100% my actions as well. Looks like we’ll be around for another big tech migration LOL!
I wonder what they’ll call it?
Lemigration
😮
More accurately this is Les Émigrés.
Here from the dev himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/?sort=confidence
Shows already that the blackout protest will change nothing.
Still needs to happen though. Many subs are going dark for good as well, the more that do that the better.
Yeah, I’m on the Tropical Weather discord and they announced they’re going dark, likely for good.
This is a big reason why I’m here as of today. I just can’t in good conscience support what Reddit is doing. I’ve been an Apollo user since it launched out of beta. I jumped at the chance to have paid Christian twice for both the original premium upgrade. And then the Ultra one later down the road. I just adore the app. When I switched to Android I still found myself missing it terribly. Since switching back to iOS. I’ve averaged 15-20 hours per week just using Apollo.
End of an era :(
I’m a more recent Apollo user, having switched to iPhone last year. But I’m in the same boat. The third party apps are the only way to go on any platform.
I’ve also been a paying Reddit gold (now premium) user for, I dunno, maybe 10 years. It’s offensive that after all that, I can’t run the software I want to run to access the site. It’s a sign of enshittification.
And frankly, Apollo or not, Reddit isn’t what it used to be. It’s less friendly and welcoming than the narwhal days when /r/LucidDreaming was the hottest community. It’s more abrasive now, more childish. Like the rest of the internet, I suppose.
Yeah, it is completely different than what it used to be. There would definitely be times when a hivemind mentality would get borderline insane. The first subreddit I discovered was r/atheism. And it was nice seeing other people like me. But I remember asking honestly about a girl I was dating at the time being Lutheran and wondering if it could work. Some were supportive. But some people were vile. It was then I could see how nuts it would get.
The communities are so large it has almost gotten too big for its own good. It’s made the people who run the site into total monsters. I started off lurking the site about 14 years ago. And the finally made an account 3 years after. 11 years down the drain, I remember recommending the site to people all the way back then. Especially when I started discovering a lot of the meme subreddits that I would share with friends.
Yeah. You will always get hivemind on insular’ish communities though. Lemmy is probably already just as bad in that regard.
I see your Lutheran+/r/atheism example and raise you dating a capitalist on Lemmy.
I see what you mean. Admittedly, I’m not even 24 hours on here or Lemmy or Tildes. I’m just searching and hoping one sticks.
You might also check out https://kbin.social
FWIW, some friends and I are running our own Lemmy instance, but we’re not completely sold on it either yet. And just software-wise, some pretty important things are missing. There’s actually no way to see, besides going into the database and querying it directly, a list of users on your own instance, for example.
And of course community-wise, Lemmy.ml (the most popular instance, run by lemmy devs) has some questionable moderation. It’s probably better to read about that on another instance, since discussion of censorious moderation is itself subject to censorious moderation.
I made an account on kbin but it isn’t vibing yet. So far, both this and lemmy.ml as well as Tildes have been the ones to step so far in this early period of trying new things out.
It got popular and lost its sense of community. It used to be common, even in large subreddits, to see someone’s username and recognize it again on another subreddit on the site. I made friends this way. It was sometimes less common, but you sometimes would see someone you knew IRL – do you let them know?
Once karma became a currency, sometimes exchanged for real currency to buy influence, that’s when Reddit started changing. Like many things, it fell for commercialization.
Only a couple years ago, a friend of mine was at the top of reddit with a family photo he took. He eventually deleted it because of all the ugliness that inevitably comes from a huge thread where an adult woman and child are in it.
It used to not be that way.
Apollo is the epitome of Apple’s HIG. Quite literally the best designed app from a UX standpoint on the App Store.
I remember just falling in love with the design that day. I gave Christian money as soon as I could. I had been an Alien Blue user beforehand. And I just remember being so blown away by the speed of everything too.
I was planning on staying on Reddit until I lost the ability to use Boost, but it already feels too far gone, and I’m struggling to find anything engaging on there. End of an era indeed :(
Boost was the Android Reddit client I used the most. I thought it was great. I also liked Sync a bunch too. I paid for both and would rotate between them. But something about Apollo just stuck with me.
I thankfully spend a good 90% of my Redditing on Desktop (old.reddit.com 4lyfe), but losing Boost on my phone hurts. Just spent the last hour hitting up all my most frequent subs and looking for all their discords or any alternate *anythings *they’ve set up regardless lol
Wow, the fact Reddit is claiming he’s blackmailing them for 10 million dollars is insane.
The fact the dev recorded it and posted it online for people to listen to themselves is great. God I love living in Ontario Canada where it’s a single party consent to record others on the phone.
I live in South Korea where it’s also legal to record only with single party consent. It’s not that long ago that I found out that it’s not a universal thing. It should be.
Where isn’t it single party consent?
https://recordinglaw.com/party-two-party-consent-states/
Here’s just the US. There’s up to 13 states with all party consent depending on how you define it.
TIL.
I always thought it was nearly all one party.
Well, it sort of is nearly all one party.
I mean. That announcement might’ve convinced me to delete my account over there and dive in completely to Beehaw.
It might’ve done that 😉
i also might have used a github app to delete all of my posts and comments across all of my accounts. i might have done that before reading the post. however, after reading the Apollo author’s post, there’s no way i might go back to reddit. that is some manipulative shady af bs.
I just deleted my account :)
I saw the announcement then purged all comments and posts from both of my accounts, then deleted the accounts.
I’m out.
Can you delete comments and posts in reddit itself or do you have to use some external tool?
Edit: nvm, I found https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite in the comments here
Gonna have to bring some popcorn for this.
Really sucks for the dev, as he does seems to be (or had been) really invested in what he was working on.
Well I’m done.
Warned the mod teams in the various subs I mod that I won’t be back after the 30th. It’s sad because I feel I am letting them down, but the knowledge I’ve gained from various communities and posts there isn’t worth the price now.
Thanks for standing up for what you believe in. I’ve been a part of reddit myself for more than 15 years on different accounts and I just can’t continue to go down the rabbit hole into VC-funded junk. The site seriously started to degrade after the huge venture capitalist investment (from Chinese firms no less) in 2019 and it’s just gotten worse in the five years since then.
Well, that gave me some useful context, thanks! I was mew to reddit, having resisted all social media since the dawn of twitter until almost 2 years ago with reddit.
I started a Mastodon account late last year in response to twitter’s API madness, though I don’t use it much. Refit was the one that got me in the end.
Will you close your accounts?
I’m quite torn. The various gaming subs I mod have great teams, and are generally great communities. I legit feel like I am doing them a disservice by stepping down and closing accounts at the end of the month.
But doing the work for a company who has no regard for the reason it is a success stings more than the feeling I’ll be abandoning some teams of passionate individuals.
I love the ‘old’ feeling of the internet on here. What I miss from forums in the '90’s. I feel like this is the best decision.
But actions speak louder than words. They don’t deserve users who they abuse.
I’m waiting to see what the response is from spez about the API changes tomorrow. I expect a shit show that will piss me off enough to begin deleting content from the site, yes.
I’m from the future and I’d like to congratulate you on your prediction! It wasn’t exactly a long shot, but… yeah. You got it exactly right.
I’ve deleted all of my alts. Main account goes June 29. You guys have made a house a home here at Beehaw.
Hahahahahhahahah, wouldn’t miss it for the world. But being admins, I imagine it won’t be fairly represented.
I’ll see you there, though!
Recreate the communities here. Let other redditors know.
It seems like the entirety of disgruntled Reddit is either going to join some form of Lemmy (Fediverse) or Tildes. At least with Lemmy we can still all communicate on the same platform. This entire event is completely splitting up and fracturing the communities we all had and liked on Reddit.
Maybe both… 🤔
I wouldn’t mind joining Tildes as well. If I could figure out how. The /r/Tildes recruitment post is locked.
https://docs.tildes.net/contact
The preferred method is r/Tildes, but there’s additional information at that link.
Ironically, a couple had already been started! So, I guess I can sit back now and be a participant more than moderating.
I did write to one, letting them know I was available to help, but never heard back.
I have posted more on here in a week than I have in years on Reddit. I think it is best.
Poor Christian. Would be cool if he developed Apollo for lemmy.
It would be cool, but I doubt it would be a sustainable business for him right now.
First Tweetbot and now Apollo… Two apps that shaped my interaction on their respective platforms. Sucks….
Much like the rest of you, I’m investing myself to Lemmy and giving Reddit the finger. Assholes.
I’m not aware of any third party app trying to make the API pricing work. RIF and Red Reader are shutting down as well.
RedReader mentioned that it may change to Lemmy client. So I hope that I can just change account and keep using it.
Jerboa works the same as redreader for me, though it has become apparent that I was never a power user of reddit apps.
Sync is going, too. Was my app for years and received a major overhaul just a few months ago. I’ll miss the great user experience.
Super sad about sync. Ljdawson won me over when he implemented a swipe action that I asked and am probably one of the few who uses it. Sad times.
There were so many cool features. For example if anyone asked for a setting in r/redditsync you could link the setting in your comment and everyone using the app could just click it and jump right to it. I’m still looking for a decent mobile Lemmy experience.
I loved people’s reaction when they saw someone link a setting for the first time hahaha. Someone recommended jerboa over reddit and that’s what I’m using for now, but it seems to get buggy sometimes and it logs me out, then I have to force close it to log back in.
I’m just using the website. It’s pretty usable for me, no issues like Jeroba. Of course an actual app would be nice but right now the website provides a better experience, IMO.
Thanks I’ll definitely check the app out.
Sync was amazing! Not a chance in hell I’ll use anything else.
I decided to setup a recurring donation to Beehaw in place of my reddit subscription.
In principle, I’m over reddit even if that backtracked. I’ve been reddit free for 4 days now.
If rif also shuts down i won’t use reddit on mobile any longer.
Unfortunately, RiF is shutting down too (link)
It is unironically so over 🥲 Lets hope many people find their way to the fediverse.
FYI, a lemmy iOS app, Mlem, is in active development, and we hope to be at 1.0 by July 1. It’s heavily inspired by Apollo, but, obviously, with changes for lemmy.
Stay tuned and subscribe to c/mlemapp for updates!
Edit: I want to note that, since one of the biggest sticking points with 3rd-party apps has been both accessibility for the blind and deaf and mod tools, they’re both on our minds as we design the interface. Getting both right will, of course, take time, but we want everyone to know that we fully intend to make our app usable for everyone.
Good to hear. I’m kinda hoping the Apollo source will become public once it closes. Anything that gets us close to that kind of experience would be great.
I’m the UX designer on the app, so the idea is to get close in terms of usability and style while making the app “our own”. So, the app will, ideally, feel a lot like Apollo, but without outright copying it.
We want to take the best of Apollo (minus some things we don’t like about it), and make something that’s inclusive of how lemmy works and operates.
Thanks for the already great work. It’s a bit barebones right now but easy to use. Excited to see what will be coming to the app!
minus some things we don’t like about it
What don’t you like about Apollo? If you don’t mind me asking.
well, as a UX designer, there are some decisions he made, years ago, that were based on an older philosophy of iOS interaction design that have since been updated. An overreliance on list display modalities, for example, pull-up menus, and other minor things in the interface which make complex workflows tedious and which can be optimized using more contemporary workflow ideologies. Stuff that, as a solo developer, he didn’t have time to address but which, as a new team starting out, we can redesign from the ground up.
We’re starting fresh, so we don’t have to worry about changing some monolith this that already exists. We have a lot more freedom than Christian does/did. We want to set a foundation based on the best of what we’ve learned from the greats but with a path for growth for the future for ourselves and our users.
@TheRoarer @BrooklynMan test
Can we expect these improvements to come to Jerboa as well?
I’m not involved in that project, but it’s an open community project. I’m sure you can go to them and voice your wishes.
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I just installed it by following the link on the website. The I could simply join the beta and install it via Testflight. No separate code needed. The link was already the invite.
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Just in case, that was the site with the link: https://join-lemmy.org/apps
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really? i was under the impression it was an open beta. hmmm… I’ll ask about that.
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Maybe, maybe not. I’ll update my comment when i have more info.
Apologies in the meantime if it turns out you did nothing wrong.
The first time I tried the link from my iPhone(which already had TestFlight installed), it didn’t seem to work. I went back and tried the link a second time, and it did. The link I followed was here:
@mint final test
@Wenwald @BrooklynMan @mint test
I had no problem clicking on the link on my iPhone. Just make sure you already have TestFlight installed.
Good luck on that, and thank you for your work (saying this as an Android user, but every platform deserves a nice Lemmy client!)
@BrooklynMan @mint That’s so cool! I’ll keep an eye out for it
Been using it for a few days, and it’s very nice. Not feature complete, obviously, but what’s there is great.
Glad you like it-- there will probably be many changes as soon as it gets updated. But, and everyone should be aware of this: v1.0’s goal is “be functional and stable”. Features will get added as we go (hopefully quickly). Apps like Apollo, RIF, etc, are mature, having been developed over years of work and user feedback. And while we can stand on the shoulders of giants like Christian Selig with regard to our direction and goals, we’re just getting started.
That said, we’re here to serve the community as we are also part of it, so we are doing all we can to build a great app!
I have the Mlem app but I’m have problems logging in, during login it says I I’m logged into beehaw.org but then says can’t connect to beehaw.org. Am I doing something wrong?
it may have to do with the popular lemmy instances being slammed right now. Until very recently, they weren’t handling a lot of heavy traffic-- after Christian Selig’s initial announcement about the Reddit API changes, there was a massive spike in traffic from Reddexiters, and, now, again within the last hour since his latest post. Instance admins are expanding their capacity, but can only do so much, being independent volunteers running servers on their own.
Give it time. the servers are a bit bogged down right now.
I just tried it again and it’s now working. Can’t wait to test it out!
there is also Jerboa on Android for folks who are on Boost, which is also going to inevitably disappear lol
I remember seeing somebody mention a Reddit-like wrapper for the Lemmy API so that existing Reddit clients can be interoperable with Lemmy without changing any code. Does anyone have more information about this project? It would be great if we could use open-source clients like Infinity (what I use for Reddit on Android) with Lemmy without rewriting them.
Yeah I’m a Boost user and I’m using Jerboa. It’s not such a shock going from Reddit to here thanks to Jerboa.
While I appreciate the effort that can go into building a good app… Jerboa sucks. Going from something like RiF to Jerboa is like having some teeth pulled… and being aware of all the little gaps where your teeth used to be.
I hope this changes in the future, in the meantime, I’m planning to write my own, in the middle of everything else I’m doing.
Ye Jerboa could be better, but like with Mastodon I expect some improvements to arrive quickly and for new apps to appear as well in the near future. Such is open source development lol
Testing right now! 👌
Edit: I want to note that, since one of the biggest sticking points with 3rd-party apps has been both accessibility for the blind and deaf and mod tools, they’re both on our minds as we design the interface. Getting both right will, of course, take time, but we want everyone to know that we fully intend to make our app usable for everyone.
This is excellent to hear. If you’re still on reddit, you should post this to r/blind, as they’ve been in limbo about whether their tools will be granted an “exception” to use the reddit API and they may be looking into alternatives for their community.
I’ll consider it, but feel free to x-post this there or make your own post. We’re not exactly in PR mode right now since these tools and features are still in their conceptual stages and we’re still trying to figure out how best to implement them-- especially the accessibility features. We’re looking to bring on an accessibility specialist to the team to consult with us, so if anyone would like to help on that front Please let us know by joining our Mlem app chat on Matix.
We’ll also be making a wider recruitment post to expand our dev team in the next few days, so keep an eye out for that, too! We’re currently a tiny team of passionate volunteers, and there’s a LOT to do!
edit: Link to GitHub project iif anyone wants to get a feel for where we are now.
While I’m coping that Christian “ports” Apollo over to work with Lemmy, I love what you guys are doing with Mlem. I’m in the beta via TestFlight and what’s there works quite well (even though you can clearly tell it’s early days).
I’m very new to iOS development, but if I find the time and motivation I might put in the hours to contribute a feature or two.
He mentioned in his post he isn’t interesting in doing that and is instead focusing on his 2nd app. Sad but understandable
i’m already using mlem, and it’s quite nice! yes, it needs some polishing still, however it’s a great alternative to what i’ve been using for 3 years (Apollo).
Just want to say I found and installed your app mlem on ios. So far so good. One bug I noticed is on my first login, after I closed the app, it deleted my logged in account. Logged back in and now working well. Forgot to do a bug capture but it hasn’t come up again. Amazing work, and really appreciate you helping people get access to Lemmy as a community.
Do you need beta testers?
the beta is currently open in testflight, I believe. we’ll be forming user testing groups in the near-future.
I’ll enable testflight on my new phone and try it out. Hopefully I can provide some useful feedback.
Loving the app so far! Exited to see how it develops over time
