I’m not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all
But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don’t think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i’m not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?
I think many people were looking for a reason to leave but kind of felt stuck seeing all the alternatives being either dead or abrasive.
Lemmy seems to have captured the soul of what a significant portion of people have already been looking for.
I have to agree with you on that I saw a comment earlier about the people who left Reddit being a loud minority but something feels off about that
Lemmy’s community feels so familiar I sadly just can’t find the right words to describe it though
It feels oddly nostalgic. I think it reminds me of the fun I used to have when I first joined reddit.
Rather than just mindlessly scrolling with a couple “hehs” or a blowing air out my nose slightly faster than normal.
It reminds me of forums I signed up for as a teen.
This describes me perfectly. Most of the alternatives I saw previously just ended up being coopted by the alt-right crowd who got chased off of Reddit. Lemmy (so far) represents what I want from an online community.
Its so weird that the alt right hasn’t tried to seize Lemmy yet from my experience it was always the immediate fate of Reddit alts in curious if the alt right is too busy over at truth social (or rumble) oh could we please get a youtube alt next that would be so great
They are out there… I was doing some exploring of instances the other day. If you look at what instances are blocking it’s pretty easy to see what is out in the fediverse.
You want to know why the alt right haven’t seized this place and won’t? It’s in the name. The fediverse. We’re all a bunch of feds!
Ah shit I didn’t know we were patriot front
Or it’s because Lemmygrad fought them off.
Sadly its both welcome to the secret FBI army, IRS branch you’ll get your paperwork and stapler in the mail in 21 business days
21 business days? Now I know you’re not a fed!
So you know you can trust me with your SSN :D /j
Peertube is a good federated alternative to Youtube, it also connects to the Fediverse and there is a central search engine called Sepia Search, which makes it easier to find content on the different instances.
Was looking at Peertube earlier, but it seems much harder to pick an instance than it was with Lemmy or Mastodon for me.
The structure of the fediverse (lemmy/kbin/mastodon etc) makes it really difficult for alt-right and troll instances to find a meaningful presence.
Truth Social for example is just a mastodon instance, but everyone immediately defederated (blocked) them, so they have no reach. Hateful ideologies want a large audience on which to inflict their bullshit, and the federated model makes it really easy to cut them off.
The alt-right is so strange it used to be that they wanted to be popular so they would invade subreddits and start cultivating hate until either they took over the subreddits or got expelled (almost like how a virus spreads actually)
But now its like they decided to pretend to be popular and are kinda imploding a bit
Spot on. Lemmy is how the Internet was supposed to be.
Lemmy in it’s current state feels very similar to reddit did ~14 years ago.
I am just smitten. I’ll never go back.
Exactly. Lemmy is great, and is essentially all I wanted from Reddit without the Reddit
Exactly! And like McDonalds, McFapper is loving it. Now bring on the NSFW instances.
Your name checks out with what you said 😂
I’ve only found one NSFW community so far.
Could not agree more.
Let’s hope it stays that way and grows!
I agree. Now don’t tell the others
if reddit becomes federated I’ll consider subscribing
Removed by mod
I left other social medias because of the spam, reddit was a more focused place for me with few updates of important stuff.
Lemmy seems like what I was originally attracted to reddit, specially since I’m interested in more technical stuff I’m sure the subs I usually go to are going to thrive here like this one and also !privacyguides@lemmy.one.
Ive really been enjoying the tech community here
also Ive noticed a lot more commentors on posts which is refreshing, the best everything was always in the comments
Nothing. They’ve burned too many bridges and have lost all faith the community had in them. Without a community, they are nothing.
I’ve only been here for a day, but the lack of homophobia and transphobia here compared to Reddit has been a breath of fresh air. I’m not afraid of posting here like I was on Reddit, where I’d actually have to debate with myself for a minute or two before posting. It’s like finally leaving a bad relationship; now I’m starting to see how bad that all was for my mental health.
Use the report button if you see any of that too, we will not tolerate it here.
Reddit thrives off of letting homophobes and transpbobes ruin everyone’s day, because it drives up their engagement numbers. We aren’t going to allow that here.
This is so relieving tbh its mindboggling to me why all these massive sites never took a stance against homophobes/racists/transphobes like this. its been proven to hurt profits when hate is allowed on any site as people dont like being abused like i swear it cant just be that the CEOs were complacent although its sadly a dumb enough reason to be true.
Also been loving your app Dessalines its been great so far :D (if you tab out of the screen while writing though it does delete text but that aint a real issue though lol)
Thanks! Ya spending any amount of time on reddit or in youtube comments is a hair-pulling experience.
Huffman was always a white supremacist libertarian (and one of those ultra-rich preppers
Oh my lord was he one of the idiots that tried to get a study on how to force a militia group to serve them after an apolcolapse? I remember that story from years ago
Yep. My personal “favorite” quote from that article is incredibly telling of how spez thinks of himself.
“Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.” - Steve “spez” Hoffman
Wth no wonder he stayed off the site I think half of Reddit would drop kick him for being in a thread
That’s a real relief to me. I see enough of that living in a very red town in a red state. Online communities are one of my only ways to talk to people who don’t want me gone.
There are lemmy instances hosting that kind of scum… but your instance can defederate (block) that whole server. BeeHaw does it pretty proactively.
For me, you are perfectly describing my move from Twitter to Mastodon. It was such a relief and I am currently in a much better headspace. All because I moved to Mastodon.
You deserve some good internet points!
Oh geez. Twitter is such a nightmare. I had to quit last year when things started getting bad. I haven’t dipped my toes in Mastodon. Has your experience been much more positive? I’m scared I’ll end up stuck in a bad server!
I’ve been on Twitter since '09, so I’ve seen a few things ;-)
But, I friggin’ love it! The people I follow (and follow me back) on Mastodon, are super chill. It’s like S-tier! It truely is.
If you are worried about being stuck on a bad server. Mastodon nowadays has a “covenant” which basically revolves around the following points;
- Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia.
- Daily backups
- At least one other person with emergency access to the server infrastructure
- Commitment to give users at least 3 months of advance warning in case of shutting down
So as long as you pick one of the servers there, you are pretty much golden. The server list can be found here: https://joinmastodon.org/servers
I am on mastodon.online (one of the servers by Mastodon itself) which has been a blast, but I can also vouch for mstdn.social. The admin of mstdn.social, “Stux” is a super great guy!
That’s a relief to hear. There’s been a Twitter shaped hole in my heart since I quit. I think I’d been a Twitter user since my freshman year of college and I’m in my 30s now. LOL
You’ve convinced me to give Mastodon a chance! Thank you for your reassurance. It really does sound like what Twitter should have been.
I can completely understand that hole in your heart ;-) You’ve basically been on Twitter as long as I was. LOL.
You’ve convinced me to give Mastodon a chance! Thank you for your reassurance. It really does sound like what Twitter should have been.
It really is and you are welcome! 😊
This would be huge. The first instance I joined on lemmy has been down now for a few days. Don’t even know how to reach the guy that runs it. It was not some super small one based on the site recs at the time.
I’m a sysadmin by trade and considered just building my own but don’t have the time to solo run it should it gain traction
Yeah! I can also imagine Lemmy introducing something like that. As a somewhat ‘soft’ endorsement of a particular server.
I think setting baselines like that, would improve servers a lot and sets out standards within communities.
Is my understanding correct that from certain instances of Lemmy I can also access mastodon’s federated links?
Actually, as long as the Mastodon and Lemmy servers are federated with each other, you can access Lemmy from Mastodon (and the other way around). If they aren’t federated yet, you can ‘force’ that federation by visiting a community via the search engine. That should start the whole federation process, unless of course either one of the servers has decided to ‘defederate’ with the other server.
But in Mastodon you can use
@community@serverin the searchbar, and you will see all the responses on Mastodon. So for example,@lemmy@lemmy.mlor@Technology@beehaw.org.Is it possible to federate the whole site, or do you have to do it by community specifically?
Federation is always done on instance level. What I mean by that is being able to communicate between instance A and instance B. Whether or not data is actually being shared from instance A to instance B depends a user on instance A is subscribed to a community on instance B (or vice versa).
I hope that clears up a few things :)
It’s so interesting to me to hear things like this, because I have to guess you’re in completely different subs than I was / am in. I never saw anything like that, but I also don’t recall seeing very much “cesspool” on reddit either. Of course, I only went to 4 subs regularly and a total of maybe 15 ever?
Which is kind of the hard part for lemmy is the “niche” stuff (like photography is much smaller here, and the main photo sub is like one or two pics per day, so we really need something like ITAP or photocritique), multitools, etc.
The worst of it, by far, is of course the front page. But some of the subs I can think of off the top of my head where I encountered trans or homophobia are r/Science and even r/Pathfinder2e (if you know anything about the Pathfinder universe, this might seem mind boggling). There was pro LGBTQ+ support in many of these subreddits, but there was always a comment or a debate or whatever in every queer related thread.
The subreddit for the state I live in, while generally supportive, has numerous comments debating my right to exist as a queer person in most threads even vaguely LGBT related. It’s frustrating knowing I could basically only find refuge in LGBT subreddits. Everywhere else, there was always someone making a jab or starting an argument. It’s exhausting.
Wow - I’m so glad I never got into the front page at all, or looked for subs based on location. I always thought that was a Facebook thing (and I don’t use facebook). I suppose the only place I would have seen anything like that was in changemyview which is where you go to have an argument anyway.
I joined my state’s subreddit to keep an eye on local happenings. Our news outlets aren’t the best, so it was a good way to hear what was going on. For the most part, it was a good community. But there was always a handful of people who had to argue equal rights every time it came up and it was disheartening to see the same hate every single time.
Apparently I should get into photography, because your experience on Reddit sounds so chill! LOL
Well, we just argue a lot about sensor size / format, is Canon or Sony better and how many thousands of dollars we spent on cameras and lenses. Many people have opinions. I guess it’s not attacking anyone’s identity, unless you think Sony Fanboy is a critical part of your person. Kind of like the IT OS wars lol.
But yes, that and like multitools - we’re arguing about Victorianox vs Leatherman… These sorts of subs are pretty chill, and not a lot of drama that I can remember. I think things that are about something you’re a fan of, rather than location or very broad seem to be a lot better experience on reddit. And sadly, these are the communities I mostly access on my phone via RedReader and that I either would be spamming or just confusing many members if I said come on over to the lemmyverse. There are some standalone forums from long ago though that still run, so I might have to go over there if I care enough.
I’m all for a good debate. I frequented the technology subreddits since they’re related to my work and I love a good OS or language debate. I’ve learned a lot from hearing other people’s arguments. So that all sounds like friendly banter to me!
I do think the smaller the subreddit, the safer you are. Most of my best experiences are in those subreddits. I just found myself wishing I could explore Reddit a bit more without walking away bummed out by all the hate. It’s hard finding a good subreddit.
I can imagine that - I just never really felt the need to explore reddit, which might be my loss, and also why I don’t get a lot of “how reddit is”. I’m painfully out of touch for being so online (never did facebook or twitter at all), and really prefer stuff that is open…
So I’m aware I have a weird view of the online world - but I guess it’s also why I’m incensed about killing third party apps. I hate the change away from protocols where you could choose how you interacted with the net to products where the UI changes on a whim, usually for the worse, and you’re “running in place” just to do today what you did yesterday. What pisses me off the most is there’s no reason the world needs to be this way - Companies sold new cars every year without swapping around the pedals ever other year. Most home improvements are improvements but aren’t changing the UI for the house. LED bulbs don’t actually require an app for instance. We’ve had chainsaws for decades and even the electric ones work the same way and look about the same.
I don’t know why computers and the net can’t be like that. Why can’t I use Thunderbird or Vivaldi while you use Outlook and Firefox but we aren’t cutting each other off? This is why I like the fediverse. It’s why I liked IRC, and e-mail. It’s one of my main reservations about even otherwise good tools like Signal.
And it’s not like usenet providers or e-mail servers don’t make money. But back to my main point that people won’t pay for access, though I think if we went back to something more like usenet where you paid for “all the groups” rather than on a per site / per forum basic might work or again get bundled with your ISP like email and usenet were.
Things that they won’t do in a million years.
I’m still using it because old.reddit.com still works, and until it doesn’t, I probably will. That said, I’d rather the fediverse thrive than the increasingly corporate-beholden reddit does, so I’ll favour what sparse engagement I make to a lemmy instance first.
I think what’s hardest to replace from reddit is the absolutely monstrous archive of posts and discussions, which seems to be a bit of a two-edged sword for them (if the official statements are to be believed) - it costs a tonne in hosting, but makes them the most relevant source for real human discourse. This needs to be handled better, and ideally I’d want to see:
- Some sort of archive.reddit.com. Minimal, flat html, ideally anonymised as much as computer-ly possible to help with the inevitable privacy issues this would raise.
- Some sort of mobile.old.reddit.com, as they seem incapable of making an app without bloaty (both visual and bandwidth wise) “features”. Call me a boomer, but if I can do something without a specific app, I would rather do it that way.
- Separate i.reddit.com and v.reddit.com into different companies from the main reddit, reddit should be link aggregation and discussion, content hosting seems like a costly thing to try and monopolise.
- If it really costs so much to run the APIs, I’d rather see more user-based rate limiting than price gouging to discourage bad actors. I do not think that is why they are price gouging, but am trying to assume good faith on their part for discussions’ sake.
I know I’m an idiot, and some of these are possibly already done and I just haven’t looked hard enough, probably some are impossible for obvious reasons I haven’t seen. Though even if reddit as a company turned around and tried to become a curator of the discussions it holds rather than milk it’s current audience dry with ads, I’d still rather see lemmy out-compete it. Protocol > Platform.
At this point in time, they have a lot to prove to get me to go back. The site itself has already felt like a lot of recycled content is coming up more and the conversations in some of my favorite subs have already become less deep and engaging. The recommendations and discovery have become kind of subpar and don’t even get me started on the native app and website. I work in the development field and the treatment of the third party developers has been garbage, unless there is a major overhaul of the leadership and some really sincere apologizing to those that have mistreated, I just don’t see an avenue back at this point.
Thats actually what I thought when I made this post i tried thinking of anything reddit could do to make up for the awful and I just drew a blank decided that it was better to stay here and asked to find out if anyone else thought of a way for reddit to get them back
Probably nothing now that I made the change. I really like the people here. I don’t see a bunch of the snark and hate over here and it suits me better. I imagine reddit is gonna go the way of Twitter and Facebook and I just don’t want to give any part of my life to that
Honestly, nothing. I was pretty hopeful to see a change of heart during the AMA, but clearly that didn’t happen. Good riddance, long live the fediverse.
They would probably have to drop their plans of going public for me to reconsider. Of course I know this is never ever gonna happen in this reality…
Going public never made any sense to me, it feels so short sighted as whenever you sell more stock you lose more control of your company and stock holders have literally no interest in seeing your company succeed if your company starts failing their just going to bail on you and invest somewhere else
After going public your whole modus operandi switches from “having a well running company that generates a steady income” to “generating more revenue every single year or loosing everything because your share holders dump you”
Allow rif or allow more customization for listview in app. I’m gonna stick around but only on desktop probably. That will be significantly less than my mobile usage.
I’m honestly not “gone” yet, this is my first day on Lemmy. I’m still a little uncertain. Here’s what’s on my mind:
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Reddit isn’t, and never has been, profitable. That means that things we don’t like are only going to get more and more likely for them to do, because eventually investors will stop paying for them to do the same thing, which we mostly do like.
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Lemmy looks like a good alternative, and I’d really like to see reddit die faster so all the content I like moves here.
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At the same time, decentralization isn’t a silver bullet. It doesn’t mean my experience on Lemmy will get better, it just means the individual server I pick has a lot more control over me. Will I lose my identity / get booted off the server because someone decides to stop operating it? Or doesn’t like a comment I write? Etc etc
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I think the platform is too far gone to regain my trust, I don’t think I’ll ever go back
