• viking@infosec.pub
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    1 year ago

    I came here to say exactly that. You can blame Musk for many things, but the cars are only as good as their drivers, and they are some of the worst I’ve seen indeed.

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      1 year ago

      the cars are only as good as their drivers,

      The design of the car isn’t that great. No physical buttons so you have to constantly look away from the road to interact with any car feature. Wipers, mirrors, climate control, music, etc… the blind spot and side views are on the display. Need to merge left but have to look right to see if it’s clear.

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        1 year ago

        Using the touch screen as a pain, for sure. However, nearly all commands on the touch screen can be accessed via voice commands from a button on the steering wheel. In practice, the need to use the touch screen while driving (other than to monitor your speed and cruise control settings) is practically zero.

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        1 year ago

        They do have mirrors, you know… The lack of physical buttons isn’t that bad either. You shouldn’t be fucking with things while driving whether there are buttons or not.

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            1 year ago

            I don’t adjust anything unless I’m stopped. Red light, stop sign, etc. Also, at this point, I can reference all that stuff without looking at the screen so, even if I needed to, I don’t have to take my eyes off the road.

            It’s nonsense that Tesla drivers are somehow less safe because of the screens considering every other driver is staring at their phones.

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              considering every other driver is staring at their phones.

              Oh yeah, and this definitely doesn’t cause problems. There’s not a single law that forbids this. And yet, looking and messing with a larger version is supposed to be ok? I am not talking out of my ass. I have driven Teslas and it is distracting whether you agree or not. It was the first reason i decided i wouldn’t buy one unless there were buttons. In fact, some people are starting to mod them to put physical buttons back in.

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                1 year ago

                I never said it doesn’t cause problems. The issue is the inattention whatever the device.

                And I own one and it’s not distracting if you don’t let it distract you. You are talking out of your ass.

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              You might be able to adjust things without taking your eyes off the road fairly safely if you had some sort of tactile feedback. Like a knob to adjust the volume of the radio or another knob or lever to adjust the heat/AC. I doubt you could do so just as reliably and without accidentally hitting a different button with a touch screen without looking at all, but even if you can, most drivers couldn’t.

              There’s also a learning curve to contend with. Put me in a car with a standard stereo that has a volume knob, and I’ll be able to use it without looking pretty quickly and without error. Put me in a car that has only a touch screen with a UI that is different from every other manufacturer’s UI, now I have to memorize where buttons are. And until I have it memorized, I have to look.

              It isn’t at all reasonable or feasible to suggest you shouldn’t adjust any control unless you’re stopped. That completely ignores the fact that the US is comprised of many highways and interstates that won’t have any stops for hours under the right conditions. You’re telling me that you exit the freeway just to adjust the AC? That’s a lie and you know it. And again, even if that’s the case for you, it isn’t the case for most drivers.

              Cars marketed to the masses should be designed for use by the masses and should be designed with safety in mind. These are 80 mph tin cans that can do a ton of damage and need to be treated as such. Especially modern EVs with batteries that burn with the light and temperature of 1000 suns when damaged.

              Also “every other driver is staring at their phone” sounds like a disingenuous way to suggest that taking your eyes off the road is okay because everyone else does it too. Yes, lots of people do, but lots of people do not, and just because some do, that doesn’t mean we should design our cars in a way that requires the same level of inattention.

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                If you’re driving, you shouldn’t be doing anything that distracts you from driving. Period.

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                  1 year ago

                  Right. Which is exactly why removing tactile knobs and buttons is stupid.

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                    Messing with knobs is still a distraction. You’re simply arguing for lesser distractions when the point is that, if you’re driving, you should be focused on driving and not on buttons, knobs, screens, or phones. It’s literally the first lesson of driving and yet you’re pretending like there’s some safer way to be distracted. It’s a load of bollocks.

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              And yet pretty much every car has a blind spot detector of some sort. Pretty weird for something that’s never needed.

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                People don’t set up their mirrors properly. If you’re turning your head to make a lane change, you’re doing it wrong. Also, the visibility in a Tesla is much, much better than it is in most cars. Not having an engine in the front of the car allows for more angle in the pillars that would normally cause blind spots.