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    What is so hard to understand, they advertised their desire for political murder to their constituents. It wasn’t “just an ornament” in private. They made a public statement by displaying it.

    Why do republican sycophants insist on removing all context from this stuff? Bending over backwards to present it in a favorable way is so slimy and manipulative.

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      I’m not a republican I just have principles. I know it’s hard to see the difference when you can rationalize calling a christmas ornament a terroristic threat.

      Politicians are trash and they all deserve a fucking noose. Every protest should have a gallows and a guillotine. And you’d be fine with that if they were ‘your’ people. Partisan fucking hack lemmy leftists can fuck off.

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        I just have principles

        then according to my principles, yours are absolute shit. It wasn’t a private display in his home. it was posted to social media for the entire world to see. A post that included people being hung in effigy. And is 100% a threat. particularly considering this guy was at jan 6 and is most definitely not a peaceful anything.

        you’re defending a terrorist.

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          Why would it matter if it was a private display? People are allowed to have and express their opinions, even if they’re shitty opinions.

          Legally there are boundaries on speech as well, that ornaments don’t cross.

          I’m not defending him I’m defending his right to have opinions. He’s a worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.

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            I’m not defending him I’m defending his right to have opinions. He’s a worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.

            by insisting he doesn’t get to be charged for making threats against elected members of government? he committed a crime. the speech itself might be protected, but those protections don’t protect against consequences. insisting otherwise is absolutely defending that worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.

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              I’m insisting his speech is shitty but political speech.

              I don’t think he could sanely be charged, though, either. It doesn’t meet the legal requirements to be a threat. You can look up the legal threshold for speech to be considered a threat in the US.

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                I’m insisting his speech is shitty but political speech.

                I suppose you feel the same way when he was chanting “HANG MIKE PENCE” outside the complex where… Mike Pence was trying to do his fucking job, huh?

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                  Until they breached the capitol, yeah. Of course. It’s a fucking protest. By your definition lots of CEOs public death threats on lemmy daily. But they’re just doing their jobs. Right? You’re supposed to have a wide berth on speech and robust response to action. Especially political figures, even when they’re doing their job.

                  You don’t have to demonize and mistreat people having genuine dialog with you. We’re allowed to have different opinions and still treat each other like human beings. Overall this is a small disagreement over human rights.

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                    Until they breached the capitol, yeah. Of course. It’s a fucking protest.

                    It was always their plan- including this guy’s plan- to breach the capital. it was never just a protest, it was a straight up insurrection. Derrick actively encouraged people to break into the capital, and always planned on doing so. and he was convicted for being a leader in the insurrection.

                    i could accept it was political speech if one never went inside. There were plenty of people that got caught up in the rally. It was this guy’s role, in the insurrection to whip up the crowd at the capital complex. the people that weren’t part of the plan.

                    This is the same guy that now posted political leaders hung in effigy. Do you really believe the intent of his post wasn’t to incite and encourage more political violence? because that’s fundamentally crossing the line from political speech… and there was never any protection from the consequences of that speech. which, you so blithely seem to want to ignore.

                    I am not calling for him to be hung in a mob lynching- which seems to be exactly what Dereck was calling for, to happen to elected leaders. I am calling for him to lawfully arrested and tried for inciting hate speech. Which is a crime in this country.

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        Since you missed it I’ll repeat myself.

        “What is so hard to understand, they advertised their desire for political murder to their constituents. It wasn’t “just an ornament” in private. They made a public statement advocating murder by displaying it.”

        Words are wind, your actions show you bending over backwards to excuse this. Also the narrative that all politicians deserve a noose is what authoritarians push to keep their citizens from trying to fix things. There’s tons of money in reinforcing political apathy, because any person they convince to abandon the process is one less voice they have to care about come election season.

        It’s a very terminally online take hyper focused on federal government. You think your local comptroller should be strung up? The irony of you calling me a political hack when your political philosophy is devoid of any nuance.

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          Yeah, no, sorry. Unless homie said “hey if I do this thing I mean this other thing” and it’s insanely direct, I’m not buying your shit. They happen to be freedoms I choose to use as well.

          You obviously knew what I meant you’re just so focused on rationalizing your bullshit you can’t manage a conversation in good faith.

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            All you’re saying here is you have no interest in actually critically thinking and analyzing people’s actions, instead just taking them explicitly at their word. Which is just gullibility. Do you think you’d feel threatened if someone was posting pictures of you being hung? What if the poster had a history of making statements that they thought you were evil or a threat to the country?

            The sheer irony of that last paragraph is funny. You’re the one talking past me and ignoring things I say that are inconvenient. Until I force you to face it.