• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    9 months ago

    You don’t get to reassign what the topic is about because it’s better for your pessimistic view.

    Article’s about Senate Democrats. Senate Democrats made sure rail bosses got what they wanted. What Biden and Sanders did afterwards to try to mitigate the betrayal of Senate Democrats is not something Senate Democrats should be given credit for.

    You don’t get to stab workers in the back like Senate Democrats did and then get credit for the work people who aren’t Senate Democrats put in.

    • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      The comment I wrote was about the democratic party as a whole. It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        9 months ago

        It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

        Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too? Like how the entire party killed BBB? Like how the entire party killed the minimum wage increase? Like how the entire party supports Netanyahu’s genocide? Manchin voted to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, so the entire party helped kill Roe v Wade.

        If you want to give the entire party credit for the accomplishments of people who aren’t even party members like Sanders, we can certainly go there. Lieberman wasn’t a party member, so the entire party killed the public option.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too?

          Yes. The democratic party is a progressive, liberal party. That means they’re still right of center and make many moves that hurt the working class. But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s. In my state, the democratic party absorbed the Farmer-Labor party and moved significantly more left as a result. They’re still more left than the rest of the nation imo. But because they’re still primarily a liberal party, their progress is slow.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            9 months ago

            But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s.

            What a ridiculous lie. You’re actually going to sit there and claim that Democrats’ positions today are the result of moving to the left of Democrats during the height of the New Deal.

            • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              I don’t know what else to tell you. Progress is progress. You don’t get to pick and choose what counts as “real progress”.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                9 months ago

                I don’t know what else to tell you.

                Something that isn’t a lie. Democrats have moved to the right since at least the 80s.

                • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  Only if you focus on economic issues. If you look at what the Democrats have focused on since the New Deal (when they had felt they had solved economics), civil rights, then they’re incredibly more progressive than the 1940’s or even the 1980’s.

                  Economically, they are just now beginning to slide leftwards from the 1940’s position, but to focus exclusively on that would be blind to all other progress made.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    9 months ago

                    civil rights, then they’re incredibly more progressive than the 1940’s or even the 1980’s.

                    What was the most recent civil rights legislation they passed at the national level? Court decisions aren’t legislation.

                    In any event, the article is about Senate Democrats’ support for labor. The most recent action the Senate has taken regarding labor has been enthusiastic strikebreaking.

                    Economically, they are just now beginning to slide leftwards from the 1940’s position

                    They are just now beginning to pretend to slide towards it.