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    Q: Are the airstrikes in Yemen working?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, when you say “working,” are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes.

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        And do you intend to deal with the fallout of their new plan the same way, creating more new plans from them? Or is there an end goal?

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        And is that working? It sounds like their old plan is still running.

        The Houthis are not new at this. They have been the target of literally thousands of airstrikes by Saudi Arabia, but have continued to operate.

        The US is not new at this either. It has decades of experience loosing to much less technically capable forces fighting on their home turf. If history is anything to go by, this is simply not a fight the US military (or any modern military for that matter) is capable of winning.

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          They’ve apparently been gaining ground since the coup but I don’t think that’s the case as of the past couple of weeks. Either way anything they’ve won has been through violence and intimidation and not the consent of the people. The people voted and rejected Houthis bullshit twice, elections in which many Houthis refused to participate.

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        Typical blood thirsty, racist and uneducated American thinking. Color me surprised.

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    What ever happened to talking and reaching an agreement and asking for favors and scratching each other back… like now we resort to uncivilized behavior by attacking the poorest countries.

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      I don’t think there’s much negotiating with a terrorist organization indiscriminately attacking international shipping

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        They’ve been clear from the start, they will leave the freight alone once the genecide in Gaza stops.

        Joe Biden and Bibi are the ones who won’t negotiate.

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        Out of curiosity why did YOU use the word terrorist? Have you ever heard of the movie Avatar, Star Wars, Space Balls? It’s simply too easy to label someone a threat/terrorist, but come on entire countries, like are you agreeing that each creature/living breathing mammal as a terrorist?

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        “Hey, do you want you and your families to stop suffering from a lack of food, clean water, healthcare, and housing? We can fix that.”

        Might be a start. But it’s never approached that way.

        People don’t usually want to be terrorists. The places these people come from are the poorest on earth and don’t know anything other than suffering and exploitation.

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          Their flag says “death to America, death to Israel, curse be upon the Jews”. In some sense, I think you can’t blame an oppressed group for radicalizing in an attempt to improve their situation. But it’s hard to sympathize with a militant, anti-semitic terrorist organization.

          Personally, I think the US should end the Prosperity Guardian operation. It should end support for Israel. And it should end oil imports. This will push America more towards decarbonization while reducing America’s interest in the Middle East. But that will raise gas prices, so it’ll never happen.

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        The only terrorist organization here is the “coalition” that the burger empire scraped together. Yemen is interdicting shipping from countries supporting a literal genocide through their sovereign waters. Meanwhile, the terrorists from US and UK are bombing Yemen for this.

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    Years of Saudi air strikes with US weapons systems ended in a victory for the Houthis. Not to mention causing one of the worst humanitarian situations of the 21st century.

    WTF does the US think it’s gonna do other than escalate the situation (and continue the next record breaking humanitarian crisis)?

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      I stand with anyone doing their part to pressure the US and Israel in ending their genocide. ❤️

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        1. Ansar Allah are the legitimate government of Yemen. Anyone who suggests otherwise is delusional.
        2. Not only can I find it, I live directly to the north of it (Saudi Arabia). عاش اليمن الشقيق.
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            Yemen has already won, the US has been fighting it since 2004, all that’s left is for the US to understand it lost. Though I predict its crazy politicians will keep repeating their mistakes expecting a different outcome.

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              American soldiers definitely lose. Civilians definitely lose. Americans and their military industrial complex have definitely been treating the middle East as a training ground for 2+ decades.

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    The recent US and UK actions can be taken as examples on how to cure the symptom while making the disease worse

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      Here’s an idea:

      The Houthi’s can just not launch missiles at ships

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        I’m tired of this kind of lazy rhetoric.

        Why are the Houthi’s committing violence?

        I have a feeling it has less to do with a foundational nature of evil, and everything to do with a population being impoverished, oppressed, and forgotten.

        Instead of spending 1.2 billion dollars bombing them, maybe purchasing 600 million dollars of their chief export would be a better idea.

        Empower the legitimate businesses and the people in the region who aren’t launching missiles instead of ravaging the region and creating a new generation of ‘militant rebels’.

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            This what? These people are religious fanatics so self absorbed in superstition and nonsense that they will literally blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people just out having breakfast because they don’t like the hours of operation one group sets for a pile of rocks some other group wants to visit on one day but not on another day. It is their utter lack of empathy and rationality that makes them evil pieces of shit. They aren’t fucking freedom fighters standing up for innocent people. They are morons who want religious control over their own people and every other person, absolute male domination of women in society, minority rule, and the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from the middleeast.

            With the support of useful idiots as you, of course.

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              Which books or sources have you read or studied to classify a sub set of people in such a precise manner?

              They who, first of all

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          The Houthi are the Proud Boys of Yemen.

          After 1/6, instead of arresting the insurrectionists, maybe we should have bought more Proud Boys merchandise? That’s your solution to religious extremists attempting to overthrow the government?

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            Yemen’s chief export is Proud Boys merch?

            Didn’t know that.

            Thanks for informing me and not just being a murderous troll.

            If that’s the case, just nuke Yemen. Explosives are the only real fix for social issues.

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              I was comparing religious extremists in the US who attempted to overthrow the US government with the Houthi who are doing the same in Yemen. The Houthi aren’t the official Yemen government. They are a religious faction who are attempting to overthrow the Yemeni government.

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                Then why did you take my point, employ and empower legitimate Yemen businesses and buy their chief export, flip it around, and say that I was suggesting buying Proud Boy’s merch?

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                  Sorry, I interpreted it as supporting the Houthi. That is buy Houthi products from Houthi businesses.

                  You didn’t say Yemeni in your reply.

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          Spending 1.2 billion on bombing campaigns keeps 1.2 billion in the American economy. Giving another country 600 million only exports money from their grasp.

          Peace is not the point of the war machine.

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        Good idea! Here’s another: UK and US stop interferring in middle east (FYI the palestine problem was worsened by magnitudes by the UK mandate)

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        Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.

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    I wonder if treating the Houthis as Iranian agents and retaliating against Iranian assets directly would be more effective than playing whack-a-mole against these missile launchers without addressing the source of the problem. I assume Biden’s advisors are wondering the same thing, but it’s hard to know where the line between deterrence and escalation is…

    Iran has enemies. Many of them are even worse than the Iranians, but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat, just like Iran is doing with the Houthis…

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      but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat

      Hmm. I wonder if anyone has tried that yet?

      Sympathetic guys armed by the US to fuck with Iran include Saddam Hussein, ISIS and Israel.

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        I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that the US armed ISIS; ISIS seized weapons that the US provided to Iraq.

        Israel does a pretty good job of opposing Iran, and we can be confident that weapons provided to Israel aren’t going to be used against the US. I think it’s likely that the Houthis are acting up now not because they’re provoked by Israel but because Israel is preoccupied with something else.

        As for Saddam Hussein… He did a very good job of opposing Iran. The threat of eight years of war and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers dead would be a very effective stick if we still had access to it. It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.

        • A lot of the people that now sympathize with ISIS are people that the US and other Western countries propped up in various ways to help fight the Soviets.

          The Houthis were friendly with the Soviets. The Soviets were friendly with the imamate.

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          It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.

          Nailed it! (Aside from thinking it’s ironic)

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          a very effective stick if we still had access to it

          We? Who is ‘we’?

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      The nuclear attack on Japan wasn’t intended to defeat them - they were already essentially defeated, just trying to find a more favorable way to lose. The nuclear attack’s purpose was to intimidate the USSR, as a power flex. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent isn’t because a couple of nukes hitting your country is a problem - that’s just a minor inconvenience when it comes to war. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent is because the countries that do have them have a lot of them, and can destroy not just a couple important cities, but cover your entire country in radioactive waste.

      Not only will your “plan” not achieve its goal, but it will also hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of civilians. I know it’s popular to associate a people with a government, and that’s not completely baseless, but - and I can’t believe I have to say this - that’s absolutely no reason to launch a nuclear attack. That’s just genocidal nonsense. There’s a reason countries at war don’t kill civilians, and it’s not “good will”.

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      Do you actually think America wouldn’t go absolutely ape trying to find who nuked them? Do you not remember 911 when the whole country collectively lost it’s mind?