Ukraine is never going to win this war no matter how hard western libs keep praying.
This is the fate of any country that sells itself out to the imperial core including the EU states who facilitated this bloodbath instead of peace and diplomacy.
I hope Russia does take over the whole of Ukraine because I don’t trust a Ukraine left to its own devices after this humiliating defeat.
Tell me how exactly Russia benefits from the prolonged war with amounting financial cost and casualties that future generations of Russians will pay?
Russia is experiencing demographic crisis before the war, and many men either fled or died, and the country have become beholden to China, Iran and North Korea. And Russia has only issued partial mobilisation, but imagine if the entire country then mobilised more for total war just to try to beat another country that is 1/10th the size and couldn’t do so for two years.
Ukraine mobilised for total war already and they’re willing to die for a bigger goal and for their homeland. Are you yourself willing to be complicit to your country’s decline for handful of rubles that is depreciating in value over time?
Russian sanctions boomerang effect means a year of stagnation for Europe in 2024
The boomerang effect of the Russian sanctions on the EU member states is having a mixed impact. Germany, France and Italy are worst affected as the pain from the changes in energy and input supplies impact their economies, dragging them down into recession, while the less dependent on Russia like Spain and Portugal are already showing signs of recovery, according to ING analysis.
Overall Europe is headed for a year of stagnation that could be worse than in 2023. By contrast Russia reported growth of 3.5%, according to the preliminary results. And on January 18, an ebullient Russian President Vladimir Putin said that growth could come in at over 4% after revisions. The Russian Ministry of Finance (MinFin) also revised its GDP growth outlook for 2024 up to 3.5%, much improved from the earlier Central Bank of Russia (CBR) forecasts of around 2% for this year.
Currently, sanctions seem to be doing more harm to Europe than they are to Russia.
Russia sanctioned-proof themselves in anticipation of the consequences of invading Ukraine. They have long history and experience after all since the Soviet days of international sanctions. However, autarky always shows to only have short term effect but in the long run, the severe consequences always catches up in the end. Just look at how Soviet Union led to its eventual demise and the war in Afghanistan accelerated that collapse. The war in Ukraine will do the same to the current regime.
Conversely, even though the EU had been dependent on Russian fossil fuel before, the boomerang effect you mentioned is only short to medium term because disruption in trade is always expected during a war. But this only pushed the EU to import American gas and accelerate the EU Green New Deal to compensate for the loss of Russian gas and oil.
With Russia only having 1/5th the GDP of Italy and endemic corruption, the failure to subdue Ukraine is only going to eat at the Russian economy and political prestige. Even if Russia wins or gets concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. Because loss of demographics (Russia is experiencing population decline before the war) will have severe consequences to the workforce and economy, the sanctions after the war will continue to hit the Russians, and the country will become more economically reliant to China and by extension politically as well. More importantly, the claim to stop NATO expansion just had the boomerang effect of just admitting two new nations into the alliance. With Russia tied in Ukraine, they loss influence in CSTO as member states resumed border clashes, especially with Armenia becoming frustrated on the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh.
Incredible how you can state basic obvious truth and get mass downvotes. The fact that so many people still can’t comprehend that Ukraine can’t win this war shows the sheer power of western propaganda.
North Vietnam couldn’t beat America. Afghanistan couldn’t beat the Soviet Union and then beat America. And, of course, Ukraine couldn’t resist a Russian invasion for years.
If Russia can lose, then Ukraine can win, and Russia can definitely lose. By some measures, they have already lost. If this war was to “stop NATO expansion” then they lost when their aggression caused Finland to join. If their objective was to reenforce their image of dominance in the region, that has failed spectacularly.
It’s funny that you would bring up Vietnam because there is a parallel there, just not the one you think. The regime in western Ukraine that US backing bears a lot of resemblance to the regime US was backing in south Vietnam, and it’s now collapsing in exactly the same way.
What you don’t seem to understand is that there was already a civil war between western and eastern Ukraine since the coup in 2014. Let’s take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here’s how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a country that’s divided precisely along the current combat lines.
Ukraine split amicably with Russia and the borders were agreed upon after the fall of Soviet Union. The same source that you linked for your last picture would have also shown survey that Russian-speaking Ukrainians also do not wish their country to be split despite the disagreements.
But Putin exacerbated the division for his own end (same as how he stoked tensions in Georgia). That’s like Republic of Ireland stoking tensions in Northern Ireland to get back the north. Or, Turkey doing the same to take over the entirety of Cyprus after already taking over the northern part of the island. All of those would violate international sovereignty of a nation under the UN Charter, which Russia have practically done in the case of Ukraine.
Russian MO is so easy to call out. They copy the playbook from another fascist claiming ethnic Germans abroad were being oppressed to justify invasion. Even though there was no evidence.
It’s pretty funny how when Donbas wants to separate from nazis, it’s Putin, Putin, Putin. But when US backed DPP wants separatism in Taiwan, it’s just wholesome freedom and democracy. Apparently, people in Donbas don’t get any agency of their own, and nobody can imagine why they wouldn’t want to live under a western backed regime that’s trying to erase their identity.
As if the referendum in Eastern Ukraine wasn’t totally done at gunpoint and there was no clear video evidence of counting ballots as yes, despite the ballot being blank.
Funny there is no desire by Russian-speaking Baltics to try to join Russia. It is though Kremlin knows exactly not to agitate NATO members. Putin meanwhile harangued Georgia and Ukraine because they’re not NATO members.
Edit: Also, the UN themselves stated they found no evidence of genocide or discrimination on Russian-speakers in Ukraine in 2015.
No country would want a part of them to secede. Majority of Eastern Ukrainians are still loyal to Ukraine-- the issue had been more about where to align until Putin exacerbated the tensions rather than easing them, especially after invading Crimea. Of course, no country would want a part of them to secede. Ukraine did not approve of this and things only escalated. The conflict in Eastern Ukraine was a civil, domestic matter but Kremlin made it an international one.
The UN did say there is no ethnic cleansing but Kremlin obviously worked behind the scenes to stoke tensions. The usual boogeyman of Azov battalion and Ukrainian far right only appeared in large groups in May 2015, long after 2014 Maidan revolution and after the Russian annexation of Crimea in early 2015.
Your own state Russian TV station videoed counting blank ballots as yes in the supposed referendum. Maybe you should get glasses old fart 🤡
Again, this is like Republic of Ireland invading the politically British territory of Northern Ireland and then invading England. Or Turkey invading the whole of Cyprus after already annexing the north. It’s illegal and you know.
You know who else invaded other countries under trumped up justification to protect German minorities abroad? Why won’t Russia invade Baltics then to protect Russian speakers? Russian nationalists are a strange lot.
Ukraine is never going to win this war no matter how hard western libs keep praying.
This is the fate of any country that sells itself out to the imperial core including the EU states who facilitated this bloodbath instead of peace and diplomacy.
I hope Russia does take over the whole of Ukraine because I don’t trust a Ukraine left to its own devices after this humiliating defeat.
Who’s ready for the Ukranian 9/11?
I have not yet seen Russian trolls become so desperate. This must be a good sign.
The comment history is amazing.
Wow. Yes. That person has issues.
Their biggest issue is the rubles they get paid for this are losing value every day.
That’s pretty much what the non-western corporate media reports. But I learned that no one in the west is ready to face it.
In Arabic we do say المتغطي بأمريكا عريان so I’m not surprised Ukraine is being hollowed out by the US and left out naked in the cold
Tagged for future reference, thank you.
Tell me how exactly Russia benefits from the prolonged war with amounting financial cost and casualties that future generations of Russians will pay?
Russia is experiencing demographic crisis before the war, and many men either fled or died, and the country have become beholden to China, Iran and North Korea. And Russia has only issued partial mobilisation, but imagine if the entire country then mobilised more for total war just to try to beat another country that is 1/10th the size and couldn’t do so for two years.
Ukraine mobilised for total war already and they’re willing to die for a bigger goal and for their homeland. Are you yourself willing to be complicit to your country’s decline for handful of rubles that is depreciating in value over time?
https://intellinews.com/russian-sanctions-boomerang-effect-means-a-year-of-stagnation-for-europe-in-2024-308348/
Russia sanctioned-proof themselves in anticipation of the consequences of invading Ukraine. They have long history and experience after all since the Soviet days of international sanctions. However, autarky always shows to only have short term effect but in the long run, the severe consequences always catches up in the end. Just look at how Soviet Union led to its eventual demise and the war in Afghanistan accelerated that collapse. The war in Ukraine will do the same to the current regime.
Conversely, even though the EU had been dependent on Russian fossil fuel before, the boomerang effect you mentioned is only short to medium term because disruption in trade is always expected during a war. But this only pushed the EU to import American gas and accelerate the EU Green New Deal to compensate for the loss of Russian gas and oil.
With Russia only having 1/5th the GDP of Italy and endemic corruption, the failure to subdue Ukraine is only going to eat at the Russian economy and political prestige. Even if Russia wins or gets concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. Because loss of demographics (Russia is experiencing population decline before the war) will have severe consequences to the workforce and economy, the sanctions after the war will continue to hit the Russians, and the country will become more economically reliant to China and by extension politically as well. More importantly, the claim to stop NATO expansion just had the boomerang effect of just admitting two new nations into the alliance. With Russia tied in Ukraine, they loss influence in CSTO as member states resumed border clashes, especially with Armenia becoming frustrated on the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh.
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Incredible how you can state basic obvious truth and get mass downvotes. The fact that so many people still can’t comprehend that Ukraine can’t win this war shows the sheer power of western propaganda.
North Vietnam couldn’t beat America. Afghanistan couldn’t beat the Soviet Union and then beat America. And, of course, Ukraine couldn’t resist a Russian invasion for years.
If Russia can lose, then Ukraine can win, and Russia can definitely lose. By some measures, they have already lost. If this war was to “stop NATO expansion” then they lost when their aggression caused Finland to join. If their objective was to reenforce their image of dominance in the region, that has failed spectacularly.
It’s funny that you would bring up Vietnam because there is a parallel there, just not the one you think. The regime in western Ukraine that US backing bears a lot of resemblance to the regime US was backing in south Vietnam, and it’s now collapsing in exactly the same way.
What you don’t seem to understand is that there was already a civil war between western and eastern Ukraine since the coup in 2014. Let’s take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here’s how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a country that’s divided precisely along the current combat lines.
Ukraine split amicably with Russia and the borders were agreed upon after the fall of Soviet Union. The same source that you linked for your last picture would have also shown survey that Russian-speaking Ukrainians also do not wish their country to be split despite the disagreements.
But Putin exacerbated the division for his own end (same as how he stoked tensions in Georgia). That’s like Republic of Ireland stoking tensions in Northern Ireland to get back the north. Or, Turkey doing the same to take over the entirety of Cyprus after already taking over the northern part of the island. All of those would violate international sovereignty of a nation under the UN Charter, which Russia have practically done in the case of Ukraine.
Russian MO is so easy to call out. They copy the playbook from another fascist claiming ethnic Germans abroad were being oppressed to justify invasion. Even though there was no evidence.
It’s pretty funny how when Donbas wants to separate from nazis, it’s Putin, Putin, Putin. But when US backed DPP wants separatism in Taiwan, it’s just wholesome freedom and democracy. Apparently, people in Donbas don’t get any agency of their own, and nobody can imagine why they wouldn’t want to live under a western backed regime that’s trying to erase their identity.
As if the referendum in Eastern Ukraine wasn’t totally done at gunpoint and there was no clear video evidence of counting ballots as yes, despite the ballot being blank.
Funny there is no desire by Russian-speaking Baltics to try to join Russia. It is though Kremlin knows exactly not to agitate NATO members. Putin meanwhile harangued Georgia and Ukraine because they’re not NATO members.
Edit: Also, the UN themselves stated they found no evidence of genocide or discrimination on Russian-speakers in Ukraine in 2015.
I love how you just keep lying about things that are publicly documented
There’s even a whole hour long French documentary about what Ukraine’s been up to in Donbas after the coup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
Incredible how you claim people who were being ethnically cleansed were joining Russia at gunpoint. 🤡
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No country would want a part of them to secede. Majority of Eastern Ukrainians are still loyal to Ukraine-- the issue had been more about where to align until Putin exacerbated the tensions rather than easing them, especially after invading Crimea. Of course, no country would want a part of them to secede. Ukraine did not approve of this and things only escalated. The conflict in Eastern Ukraine was a civil, domestic matter but Kremlin made it an international one.
The UN did say there is no ethnic cleansing but Kremlin obviously worked behind the scenes to stoke tensions. The usual boogeyman of Azov battalion and Ukrainian far right only appeared in large groups in May 2015, long after 2014 Maidan revolution and after the Russian annexation of Crimea in early 2015.
Your own state Russian TV station videoed counting blank ballots as yes in the supposed referendum. Maybe you should get glasses old fart 🤡
Again, this is like Republic of Ireland invading the politically British territory of Northern Ireland and then invading England. Or Turkey invading the whole of Cyprus after already annexing the north. It’s illegal and you know.
You know who else invaded other countries under trumped up justification to protect German minorities abroad? Why won’t Russia invade Baltics then to protect Russian speakers? Russian nationalists are a strange lot.
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You didn’t just move the goalposts, you obliterated them. Ukraine can win. I’m not interested in your goofy ass obfuscations about Ukrainian society.
Ukraine very obviously can’t win, but if you still haven’t figured that out yet then there’s little point talking with you.
Yeah, good idea. Go convince someone who already agrees with you.
I don’t need to convince you of anything, reality will be impossible to ignore even for the most propagandized segments of the public soon enough.
If only everyone saw the world as clearly as you. /s
Just curious. Do you have a gun to your head, or do you choose to do it?
Cry harder, fascist.