We Asked A.I. to Create the Joker. It Generated a Copyrighted Image.::Artists and researchers are exposing copyrighted material hidden within A.I. tools, raising fresh legal questions.

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    10 months ago

    What it proves is that they are feeding entire movies into the training data. It is excellent evidence for when WB and Disney decides to sue the shit out of them.

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      10 months ago

      Does it really have to be entire movies when theres a ton of promotional images and memes with similar images?

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        10 months ago

        Yes. Thats what these things are, extremely large catalogues of data. As much data as possible is their goal.

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          True but it didn’t pick some random frame somewhere in the movie it chose a extremely memorable shot that is posted all over the place. I won’t deny that they are probably feeding it movies but this is not a sign of that.

          This image is literally the top result on Google images for me.

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            10 months ago

            Why would it pick some random frame in the middle of its data set instead of a frame it has the most to reference. It can still use all those other frames to then pick the frame if has the most references to.

            But im starting to think maybe i misunderstood the comment i replied to.

            Sorry, im way out of context with my reply, totally my fault for reflexively replying.

            Uhhh would you accept i didnt have my coffee yet and hadnt got out of bed yet as an explanation?

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      10 months ago

      I think it’s much more likely whatever scraping they used to get the training data snatched a screenshot of the movie some random internet user posted somewhere. (To confirm, I typed “joaquin phoenix joker” into Google and this very image was very high up in the image results) And of course not only this one but many many more too.

      Now I’m not saying scraping copyrighted material is morally right either, but I’d doubt they’d just feed an entire movie frame by frame (or randomly spaced screenshots from throughout a movie), especially because it would make generating good labels for each frame very difficult.

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        10 months ago

        I just googled “what does joker look like” and it was the fourth hit on image search.

        Well, it was actually an article (unrelated to AI) that used the image.

        But then I went simpler – googling “joker” gives you the image (from the IMDb page) as the second hit.

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      10 months ago

      WB and Disney would lose, at least without an amendment to copyright law. That in fact just happened in one court case. It was ruled that using a copyrighted work to train AI does not violate that works copyright.

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        10 months ago

        Using it to train on is very different from distributing derived works.

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            10 months ago

            Something transformative from the original works. And arguably not being being distributed. The model producing and distributing derivative works is entirely different though. No one really gives a shit about data being used to train models - there’s nothing infringing about that which is exactly why they won their case. The example in the post is an entirely different situation though.

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      The way it was done if I remember correctly is that someone found out v6 was trained partially with Stockbase images-caption pairs, so they went to Stockbase and found some images and used those exact tags in the prompts.

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      10 months ago

      I have that exact same .jpeg stored on my computer and I don’t even know where it came from. I don’t even watch superhero films

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        10 months ago

        And if you tried to sell that, you would be breaking the law.

        Which is what these AI models are doing

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          They’re not selling it though, they’re selling a machine with which you could commit copyright infringement. Like my PC, my HDD, my VCR…

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            No, they are selling you time in a digital room with a machine, and all of the things it spits out at you.

            You dont own the program generating these images. You are buying these images and the time to tinker with the AI interface.

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              10 months ago

              I’m not buying anything, most AI is free as in free beer and open source e.g. Stable Diffusion, Mistral…

              Unlike hardware it’s actually accessible to everyone with sufficient know-how.

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                10 months ago

                Youre pretty young, huh. When something on the internet from a big company is free, youre the product.

                Youre bug and stress testing their hardware, and giving them free advertising. While using the cheapest, lowest quality version that exists, and only for as long as they need the free QA.

                The real AI, and the actual quality outputs, cost money. And once they are confident in their server stability, the scraps youre picking over will get a price tag too.

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                  10 months ago

                  Literally what are you on about? I run my models locally, the only hardware i am stress testing is my own.

                  I don’t support commercialization of anything, least of all AI, and the highest quality outputs come from customized refined models in the open source and AI art communities, not anything made by a corpo.

                  I think you must be literally 12 yourself if you think you can comment on this tech without even understanding models and weights are something you download if you want anything beyond fancy often wrong Google search, they’re not run in the “cloud” like your fancy iPad web apps and they are open source.