No one was inside a Waymo car as it was destroyed.

A crowd destroyed a driverless Waymo car in San Francisco::A Waymo car was destroyed in San Francisco as a crowd began vandalizing it and ultimately set the car on fire. Nobody was in the vehicle at the time.

  • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Nah I don’t think you’re a petrol head, I think you’re a techbro. I’ve accused you of it amply, and you have never even tried to give off any other impression.

    Well like I said, you’re a dumbass who judges people on stereotypes in their head instead of reading what they wrote so go fuck yourself for thinking you know literally anything about me.

    If you think I’m a tech bro I will repeat what I’ve already said, learn how to fucking read. Jesus fucking Christ you’re an idiot.

    Statistically speaking I’m vastly more likely to fall off a ladder changing a lightbulb than getting hit by a car. But I’m sure you have a technology for that, too… don’t you?

    First of all, about ~300 people die from ladder falls a year in the US, and ~35,000 people die from traffic incidents, so no, you absolutely fucking are not more likely to die from a lightbulb unless you’re a shut in obsessively changing their light bulbs every 3 months.

    Second, engineers invented these little things called LED light bulbs, and you only have to change them once every 10-15 years instead of a couple times a year. There are also these little things called fall arrests harnesses that are mandatory for all up high work in any commercial or industrial setting. And guess what, engineers even invented light bulb changing poles so you never have to be up high.

    Now that we’re done with your dumb analogy that you didn’t think through, back to the topic at hand, as long as cars exist, they will be safer if they’re self driving, so present your plausible plan for getting all of the world to give up cars in the next let’s say even 20 years, or shut. the. fuck. up.

    And thanks for the reminder that even people with extremely similar political views to me, can be arrogant dickbag idiots.

      • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Good job missing the point. Then I’ll fall off the ladder cleaning windows or showing winter clothes on the top shelf of the cabinet. Point is: Household accidents aren’t exactly rare: In 2022, 2.776 people died in Germany due to traffic accidents. Domestic accidents: 15.551.

        300 people died falling from ladders in the US, while 35,000 died from traffic fatalities. So shut the fuck up with your cherry picked stats and shifting from a single problem (ladders) to all household accidents once you tried to look up stats and realized you were a fucking idiot.

        …and you’re going to make people use them how? Put a police officer in every household to make sure people are sticking to occupational safety principles?

        WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You asked for a technology that helps prevent ladder falls, THATS WHAT A FALL ARREST HARNESS IS. YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Here’s another one: light bulb changing poles!

        I very much doubt we have the same opinion on whether capital should be running basic infrastructure.

        Yeah, because you’re an idiot who can’t fucking read and keeps slotting in a tech bro stereotype. You’re a judgemental, inaccurate, dumbass.

          • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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            11 months ago

            You’re doing it again: I readily admit that I used the statistics loosely, I didn’t even look up numbers, I said “ladder” and meant with that “household accidents”, which I knew to be much higher than traffic deaths (at least over here, dunno about the US).

            Yeah, and you were fucking wrong about that too, and just focused on your own area and extrapolating what’s going on in your fucking village to the realities around the world. Like I said, arrogant.

            What did you do? Instead of correcting me on the fuzziness but acknowledging that household safety is a bigger issue than traffic safety, you go on “lol you dumb I don’t have to engage with your point because you made a spelling mistake”.

            It wasn’t a spelling mistake, you didn’t bother looking up stats and made an argument based on incorrect information. Even the stat you thought you had in your head was for your tiny region of the world only, not the world on global scale.

            A safety technology which doesn’t get used doesn’t increase safety. Or is the existence of autonomous cars making non-autonomous cars safer? Hmm? Basic logic? If you want a technology to solve something, part of the design requirements for that technology is its acceptance, its price, which will dictate how ubiquitous its use will be.

            Yes, and when we’re talking about a problem that causes 35,000 deaths a year on top of billions in damages and hundreds of thousands injured and maimed (in the US alone), then there are many avenues to have regulators encourage or enforce the use of that technology. It’s also not very expensive. First generation Waymo hardware costs ~$100k, that’s easily in the range for autonomous taxi services to pay back within a year of use, give it 10 years for the compute and sensors costs to come down and to get the benefits of manufacturing at scale and it will be easily affordable by average individuals. Another 10 years from then and it will have filtered down into the used and low end markets.

              • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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                11 months ago

                US, 2021: 128,200 household accident deaths, 42,939 traffic.

                You said ladder, now you’re saying “household accidents”, so how are you going to prevent people from falling and hitting their heads on the floor, or falling down their stairs, or poisoning themselves?

                Also, in your made up fantasy world, is “whataboutism” still a valid way to argue? In your society are they only allowed to solve one problem at a time? If we’re having hundreds of thousands of lives changed and ruined every year by something it’s totally not worth solving or addressing because more people are dying in Ukraine right? We need to solve all bigger problems first, and ONLY then can we work on solving traffic fatalities right?

                Appropriate that you used the song famous for not understanding what irony actually is.

                  • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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                    11 months ago

                    Have you noticed something about those statistics Germany vs. USA? How the ratio is approximately 3:1 vs. 5:1? And that’s with the Autobahn having long stretches with no speed limit? What does Germany do that the US doesn’t, that could be copied as tried+true approach to drastically reduce traffic accidents?

                    AGAIN, because you can’t get it through your skull apparently, I am in favour of building more transit and actively vote and letter write and campaign for it. Jesus fucking christ, if you respond one more time without understanding that I’m just blocking you and fucking off because this is insufferable at this point.

                    But the point is that regardless of what we want, reality is still reality, American suburbanites are still American suburbanites, and 20 years from now there will still be cars on the road, a lot of them.

                    Why are you so focussed on self-driving?

                    Because hundreds of thousands of people die from human drivers and far more are injured and maimed, every single year. How is that so fucking hard to understand?

                    Level 4 tech does not exist, all those accreditations are in places with very questionable regulatory regimes.

                    Waymo has driven millions of miles in Phoenix and San Francisco with three incidents that produced minor injuries. Are those extremely limited conditions? Yes, intentionally so. But level 4 driving does exist within those conditions, and the cars training in those conditions are preparing for them to expand to less limited conditions.

                    And because 20 years from now the public transit utopia that we both want won’t exist in the US, but self driving cars might be ubiquitous.