Stop tipping and support establishments that pay proper wages instead.
I no longer live in Austin but before I left, a number of my favorite places had banned tipping. Tips were not accepted, prices were higher, and staff were well paid. Guess what? Post pandemic lock down, they had no problems being fully staffed. Shocking, I know.
So close (but I’d be careful with your wording). Yes, support establishments that ban tipping and pay proper wages. But if you go into a restaurant where you are aware tipping is expected and don’t tip you’re just being an ass, not a revolutionary.
That’s still someone’s rent and food money you are withholding from them by not tipping. It’s a fucked up system, but they wont be compensated by their boss when you stiff them. So not giving them that tip could be the difference between choosing to pay for rent or groceries this week.
Refusing to tip does nothing but harm workers and allowing the owners to continue to profit. The whole system needs to be reworked from the top down. There is no reason that a restaurant can’t just pay their workers a fair wage. They could also just automatically give the staff X% of total sales, but then that starts to sound like a co-op, and then people might start to ask themselves what the owner actually does for the restaurant.
That’s still someone’s rent and food money the employer is withholding from them by not paying them adequately.
FTFY
Read my original comment again…slowly. We need to stop subsidizing cheap fuckers by tipping and instead bring our business to establishments that pay their employees fairly and ideally ban or discourage tipping. Tip culture is an American anomaly because our system is ridiculously exploitative.
Hey, careful. It looks like you are putting words in their mouth. The difference between eating out and not tipping and not eating out at all is that one involves you getting the product of labor from a waiter where the other does not.
That makes all the difference between those examples so it’s not fair to equivocate them.
I mean, they pushed back against someone who specifically said they avoid establishments where they are required to tip. What else can I get from that?
Did you read their comment beyond the first two words?
They explicitly said to stop tipping by deciding to instead go to places that ban tipping, price goods higher, and pay their employees fairly. None of your argument about “you need to tip people who rely on tips” applies to what they said. You jumped to your “haha gotcha” moment a bit prematurely.
I’ve never seen it either. I’ve heard of it though, but only in wealthier areas. Working class people don’t have the luxury of deciding to pay extra to alleviate human suffering - it’s the same reason walmart consumes all other choices; the average person chooses the cheapest option because they’re already scraping by. A more relatable take would be to just opt out of eating at places that demand tips – I already do that, but only because I can’t afford to eat out anyway :)
their use of the conjunction “and” instead of “by” also had me confused at first but yes your interpretation is more accurate given further discussion which you can see following my reply.
BakerBagel’s position is also valid it just looks like there was misunderstanding.
Yeah, I lived downtown. Highrises at first, then in the Holly neighborhood. What I found was that places that did not allow tips had far friendlier staff and paying was stress free. In contrast, I now live in Jackson, Wyoming and I barely eat out. To go orders are automatically charged 20% gratuity and if you dine in your options are 25%-30%-35%. That sort of bullshit sours the experience. Just bump the prices by 30%, ban tips, and pay your fucking staff a high wage. Lord knows rent is expensive as fuck here (if you can even find a place).
I get paying a decent wage but why ban tipping. Here in California there is no tipped wage difference and min wage is pretty high but I still tip whenever I get the chance because I earn a lot more than service workers and that $5 is worth more to them than me. I also appreciate that it goes directly to the workers instead of through the boss who will take god knows off the top. It should definitely not be required and discrete enough so that those who don’t can’t be shamed but banning it just hurts workers.
Stop tipping and support establishments that pay proper wages instead.
I no longer live in Austin but before I left, a number of my favorite places had banned tipping. Tips were not accepted, prices were higher, and staff were well paid. Guess what? Post pandemic lock down, they had no problems being fully staffed. Shocking, I know.
So close (but I’d be careful with your wording). Yes, support establishments that ban tipping and pay proper wages. But if you go into a restaurant where you are aware tipping is expected and don’t tip you’re just being an ass, not a revolutionary.
Of course. It is very easy to find out ahead of time and also leave feedback on why you chose to go elsewhere.
Okay glad you agree :)
I got diagnosed with celiac and lactose intolerance and I’m saving so much money not eating out!
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That’s still someone’s rent and food money you are withholding from them by not tipping. It’s a fucked up system, but they wont be compensated by their boss when you stiff them. So not giving them that tip could be the difference between choosing to pay for rent or groceries this week.
Refusing to tip does nothing but harm workers and allowing the owners to continue to profit. The whole system needs to be reworked from the top down. There is no reason that a restaurant can’t just pay their workers a fair wage. They could also just automatically give the staff X% of total sales, but then that starts to sound like a co-op, and then people might start to ask themselves what the owner actually does for the restaurant.
FTFY
Read my original comment again…slowly. We need to stop subsidizing cheap fuckers by tipping and instead bring our business to establishments that pay their employees fairly and ideally ban or discourage tipping. Tip culture is an American anomaly because our system is ridiculously exploitative.
Wait, are you saying that they’re withholding rent and food money from servers by avoiding establishments that expect tipping?
Are we now obligated to eat out?
Hey, careful. It looks like you are putting words in their mouth. The difference between eating out and not tipping and not eating out at all is that one involves you getting the product of labor from a waiter where the other does not.
That makes all the difference between those examples so it’s not fair to equivocate them.
I mean, they pushed back against someone who specifically said they avoid establishments where they are required to tip. What else can I get from that?
see my comment here. there was a pretty decent misunderstanding going on from what i can tell.
I think I get what you’re saying there. I was reading their comment in the context of how I read what they were replying to.
Did you read their comment beyond the first two words?
They explicitly said to stop tipping by deciding to instead go to places that ban tipping, price goods higher, and pay their employees fairly. None of your argument about “you need to tip people who rely on tips” applies to what they said. You jumped to your “haha gotcha” moment a bit prematurely.
Is this a big city thing? This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this.
I’ve never seen it either. I’ve heard of it though, but only in wealthier areas. Working class people don’t have the luxury of deciding to pay extra to alleviate human suffering - it’s the same reason walmart consumes all other choices; the average person chooses the cheapest option because they’re already scraping by. A more relatable take would be to just opt out of eating at places that demand tips – I already do that, but only because I can’t afford to eat out anyway :)
their use of the conjunction “and” instead of “by” also had me confused at first but yes your interpretation is more accurate given further discussion which you can see following my reply.
BakerBagel’s position is also valid it just looks like there was misunderstanding.
I don’t think they were saying to just stop tipping, but to go to places where tips aren’t expected
No, it also lets me (a worker) keep the money I need to pay the rent.
There’s a new cider brewery that opened downtown that has no tipping. It’s quite liberating.
Yeah, I lived downtown. Highrises at first, then in the Holly neighborhood. What I found was that places that did not allow tips had far friendlier staff and paying was stress free. In contrast, I now live in Jackson, Wyoming and I barely eat out. To go orders are automatically charged 20% gratuity and if you dine in your options are 25%-30%-35%. That sort of bullshit sours the experience. Just bump the prices by 30%, ban tips, and pay your fucking staff a high wage. Lord knows rent is expensive as fuck here (if you can even find a place).
I get paying a decent wage but why ban tipping. Here in California there is no tipped wage difference and min wage is pretty high but I still tip whenever I get the chance because I earn a lot more than service workers and that $5 is worth more to them than me. I also appreciate that it goes directly to the workers instead of through the boss who will take god knows off the top. It should definitely not be required and discrete enough so that those who don’t can’t be shamed but banning it just hurts workers.
Because tipping is so ingrained customarily that if it’s not banned, it will still be expected.
and there are other detriments to tipping as well, for example faculitating an environment of sexual harassment and racial discrimination.