Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ā€˜uncommittedā€™ in Michiganā€™s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ā€˜uncommittedā€™ in Michiganā€™s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.

ā€œItā€™s important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote thatā€™s not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,ā€ she said on Sunday during an interview on CNNā€™s State of the Union. ā€œA second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.ā€

Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Bidenā€™s 2024 campaign, also said she wasnā€™t sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.

Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote ā€œuncommittedā€ in Michiganā€™s 27 February primary.

  • phillaholic@lemm.ee
    34Ā·
    10 months ago

    write all your congresspeople and tell them that they need to stop supporting Israel.

    Thatā€™s a bad idea. If the US stops supporting Israel, Hamas and their financial backers will immediately invade to wipe them off the planet. I donā€™t know if the rhetoric I hear is mostly Russian propaganda, or people donā€™t really understand the conflict. Israel didnā€™t just decide to invade Gaza, there was an 9/11-esk terrorist attack by Hamas that triggered his retaliation. Despite being the defacto governors of Gaza, Hamas is a terrorist organization and operates like one. There is no attacking Hamas without attacking Gaza. They are essentially one in the same, and there is no peaceful solution when Hamas goal is to wipe Israel off the planet. It would be a kin to the US not going after Osama Bin Laden after 9/11. Do you think he would have stopped? I donā€™t think Iā€™ve heard anyone seriously suggest the US should have done nothing after 9/11. Going into Afghanistan was pretty well supported (Ignoring Iraq, because thatā€™s where the Bush Admin fucked it up). The only solution to 9/11 was a time machine going back and not getting involved in the Middle East in the first place, but now where talking a reverse butterfly effect of who knows what happens. The Israel-Hamas conflict is older than Hamas, and it quite literally one of, if not the most complex Geo-political issues in history.

    Personally I think the best Idea would be the pressure Israel into larger oversight by the UN, or whomever. I donā€™t see any true peace while Hamas or any other Islamist extremist organization exists in that region. The time for that was twenty plus years ago.

    • Reptorian@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1Ā·
      10 months ago

      I have a better idea, US soldiers are employed within Israel border to cut the settlers off from having resources until they surrender and turn themselves into Palestine with support on placing them on trial, along with searching former and current soldiers that supports the settlers. I donā€™t think I can trust Israel to give up on supporting their settlers. And then, force a 2-state solution via bargaining peace, any trouble, they lose territory and soldiers. That way, Israel ends up being forced to stop supporting settlers and Palestine stop making trouble.

      • phillaholic@lemm.ee
        1Ā·
        10 months ago

        US troops on the ground means another occupation where Hamas would gladly attack them too. Iā€™m not sure the general public wants another Iraq or Afghanistan where Americans get killed and the outcome likely ends up no different. Hamas doesnā€™t want Israel to exist at all. A two state solution still needs to deal with them.

        • Reptorian@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1Ā·
          10 months ago

          Then, how do you solve the issue of Israel-Palestine never-ending conflict? Israel has the settlers problem, and no one likes them including Israelis while Israel government still sponsors them, while Palestine has the antisemitism problem.

      • phillaholic@lemm.ee
        12Ā·
        10 months ago

        Support for Hamas is Growing

        I donā€™t believe adding more guns solves any problem, so thatā€™s a non starter for me.

        However just today, Palestinian prime minister submitted the governmentā€™s resignation, so we will see whatā€™s next.

        • SaltySalamander@kbin.social
          3Ā·
          10 months ago

          However just today, Palestinian prime minister submitted the governmentā€™s resignation, so we will see whatā€™s next

          Which has fuckall to do with Hamas. The Palestinian Authority has no presence in Gaza.

          • phillaholic@lemm.ee
            1Ā·
            10 months ago

            Iā€™ve said before that there is no resolution without getting rid of Hamas. Outside of that, there are measures like this. If these are meaningless, then all out war is the only answer and thatā€™s what Israel is doing.