I’m fairly new and don’t 100% understand it yet, but instances are run on servers that require money. Are we heading towards seeing ads or subscriptions to raise funds instead of relying on donations to cover overhead?

Especially with the influx of new users. Hardware upgrades are needed.

  • cogman@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    12
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    In a quest to kill spam, email has become somewhat unhealthy and centralized. Setting up a new email provider is a lot more difficult today than it was years ago. Sending a message to the established providers from a new provider will often end up in spam.

    • TheLurker@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      Email has not become centralised at all. You have a clear misunderstanding of what that means in the context technological services.

      A centralised service is one provided by a sole or group of providers who decide who and who cannot provide said service.

      Email in no way fits that description. You can spin up your own email server tomorrow and start communicating with the world through the email protocol standards.

      • cogman@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        You can spin up your own email server tomorrow and start communicating with the world through the email protocol standards.

        You can, but as I said, because you aren’t a know provider every message from your server will end up in the spam folder of everyone using Gmail.

        You won’t have a functional system unless you back it with either Gmail or Outlook.

        • TheLurker@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          I have spun up a lot of email servers over the past few years for clients and not had the issue you speak off. Perhaps you need to look either at your implementation or maybe that you are doing it on a VPS provider with a shit record?

          I have brand new domains with on-prem email servers spinning up constantly and do not have the issue you described.

          If you are using hosted servers then perhaps you need to dump the host.

          • drphungky@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            It’s interesting to hear your take as someone experienced, because on hobbyist forums like /r/selfhosted I used to hear the complaint above all the time. Maybe people aren’t doing things correctly. I’ve never messed with my own email server and have no dog in this fight, but I’ve definitely heard that complaint a ton.

      • Admin@lemmy.magnor.ovh
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        This is true but if you were to do that most people would simply not receive your emails. The fight against spam has effectively turned email into an oligopoly.

        • TheLurker@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          I don’t understand why you think this is the case, assuming you don’t run your own servers?

          Aside from being a co-conspirator, how can I spin up servers on new domains constantly and not have this problem?

          I am not talking about creating new email accounts or using a shady VPS.

          • Admin@lemmy.magnor.ovh
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I was replying to the part where you said that “You can spin up your own email server tomorrow and start communicating with the world through the email protocol standards”. While I agree that this is technically possible, it has become increasingly difficult (see this blog post for example).