President says ā€˜epidemic of gun violence is tearing our communities apartā€™ after mass shootings in Philadelphia, Fort Worth, Baltimore and Chicago

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    Look at suicide rates in England when they switched from coal gas to natural gas. ā€œSticking your head in the ovenā€ was an incredibly accessible and effective way to kill yourself.

    When coal gas was taken away, all suicides dropped.

    Over time, as the carbon monoxide in gas decreased, suicides also decreased (Kreitman 1976). Suicides by carbon monoxide decreased dramatically, while suicides by other methods increased a small amount, resulting in a net decrease in overall suicides, particularly among females.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/saves-lives/

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      Since gas ovens are still commonplace around the world and not a major suicide device, maybe were just looking at simple correlation specific to a time and place. Just like school shootings in the US are a terrible trend, suicide by oven may have been a terrible trend in England. I donā€™t disagree that the net effect of removing the popular tool can be significant, I definitely question if a similar result can be relied upon. Removing the gas may have just been a wake up or societal redirect that happily resulted in fewer suicides.

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        Coal gas, as in ā€œartificial gasā€ (as opposed to natural gas) is no longer used in residential environments basically anywhere. Itā€™s literally 50% carbon monoxide and much more toxic than natural gas which is what modern ovens use.

        It is impossible to kill yourself with coal gas if you donā€™t have access to it. People can and do still kill themselves with carbon monoxide by leaving their cars on in a closed space, but that takes more time and effort and people have time to contemplate their decision and change their mind. This is a good thing.

        Also, Iā€™m not sure I understand your point about it being a trend. The data shows that total suicides dropped, not just suicide by oven.