• Rodeo@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    No, Newtonian physics works just fine. Unless things are too big, too small, too fast, or too slow.

    At least that’s what a meme I once saw said.

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      7 months ago

      So it works fine on human scales, but for most of the universe it is inadequate. That means it’s wrong. Quantum physics and relativity are also wrong since he are unable to reconcile the two, despite them both being the best models we have for their respective scales. We have known for the past century that we have only just begun to understand the universe, and that all our models are irreconcilable with each other, meaning that they are ultimately wrong.

      Just because a model is useful doesn’t mean it is right.

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        I agree with the essence of your point but personally I’d never use the word “wrong”, only incomplete. Seems weird to call Newton’s laws “wrong” when the only reason that we are willing to accept GR is that it reduces to Newton.

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            I prefer mine:

            literally every model is a metaphor and not a true representation of the actual phenomenon it’s modeling.

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                I personally think that “all models are wrong” does nothing to stop people from simply thinking in terms of practical inevitabilities, when it’s actually extremely important to understand that figuring out what’s “actually going on” was never even the concern of science in the first place.

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          It’s not so much that it reduces to Newtonian predictions but that at human scale and energy levels the difference between Newtonian and general relatively is so small it’s almost impossible to tell the difference.

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            What you’re describing is literally what it means for general relativity to reduce to Newtonian mechanics. You can literally derive Newton’s equations by applying calculus to general relativity. In fact, if you ever get a physics degree, you’ll have to learn how to do it.

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        7 months ago

        It’s inaccurate, not wrong. Framing things in right and wrong misrepresents scientific progress in a way that leads to ridiculous conclusions like some post-modernist post-truth philosophers came up with.

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        7 months ago

        In fact, Lord Rutherford said that “ALL models are wrong, but some are useful” 🙂

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          7 months ago

          While we’re talking about scientific nobility…

          “In science there is only physics; all the rest is stamp collecting.”

          – Lord Kelvin

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      Isaac Newton made some incorrect assumptions. In most situations on earth the error is small enough to ignore (you don’t need to worry about time dialation to calculate the projectile path of a thrown rock), but there’s depreciencies in the cosmos (like mercury’s weird precession). So in a sense, elementary mechanics never was correct, but it was the best humanity had for awhile until Einstein’s relativity and it’s still useful in many not-extreme contexts.

      Really, until we actually find dark matter, we can’t say for sure that relativity is correct either, but that’s just science.

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        I thought we may have found dark matter already, but we lack the ability to measure it and confirm?

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          We noticy it’s effects on baryonic matter, but have no known way of detecting dark matter itself. It’s a bit like how a fisherman can know that there is a large fish in the pond by the giant splashes and ripples in the water, but he can’t catch it because it has zero interest in any lures or bait he uses.

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      I think the best way to say it is, relarivity can reduce to Newtonian at small (but not sub atomic) scales, or that Newtonian mechanics are incomplete