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Thanks for sharing this article. It’s more nuanced and interesting than i expected, although i have disagreements with some parts of course. Overall, it raises the question of Do we want to accept authoritarian rule and some forms of injustice, in the name of material development for the masses?
Personally, i’m strongly in the “no” camp (“freedom or death”). But this article is a somewhat fair argument for “yes”.
Listen to Noam Chomsky holding forth about “left intellectuals” who try to “rise to power on the backs of mass popular movements” and “then beat the people into submission. . . . You start off as basically a Leninist who is going to be part of the Red bureaucracy. You see later that power doesn’t lie that way, and you very quickly become an ideologist of the right. . . . We’re seeing it right now in the [former] Soviet Union. The same guys who were communist thugs two years back, are now running banks and [are] enthusiastic free marketeers and praising Americans”
What’s wrong with this quote? Is it not true that in much of the ex-USSR the “communist” elites have organized the privatization of resources/industry? Is that not how Putin for example came to power and helped establish the new oligarchy?
Is that not the case all the way back to Lenin, who promised communism but massacre everyone who actually practiced it (Ukraine Commune, Cronstadt…) ?
these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves
I guess it depends on local context, but i would say it’s true for some persons/networks, but definitely not true when it comes to Communist Parties. Or it may be true depending on the perceived advantages of doing so… for example the PCF in France defending independent Algeria on paper then voting for the war against independence, or denouncing State racism then mounting local militias to attack immigrant housing.
Orwell announced that a “willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty
Again, what’s wrong with this quote? We could say the same about the US empire, btw… I’d say someone who is not willing to criticize both is a puppet of imperial interests. In practice, Orwell witnessed this first hand when he was in a trotskyist militia during the spanish revolution: he saw the communist party seize power and massacre all opposition (anarchist/trotskyist), so i can understand where that sentiment comes from. I truly recommend reading his autobiographic Homage to Catalonia for historical context.
And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress in South Africa.
That’s true, but misleading. Some people’s republics have done huge service to foreign populations (eg. Cuban medical support), but when it comes from the USSR it was never (that i know of) for free. Material support was in exchange of suppressing the local leftists (like Lenin/Trotsky did in USSR) in order to build a vassal state. That’s for example what the USSR did during the spanish revolution, which arguably killed the revolution and led to the victory of fraquist fascism.
Instead, we maintained that, aside from the well-publicized deficiencies and injustices, there were positive features about existing communist systems that were worth preserving, that improved the lives of hundreds of millions of people in meaningful and humanizing ways.
Well that’s the first fair and balanced sentence in the whole article. The author went to great lengths to say that the USSR and other people’s republic were unjustly attacked, before finally recognizing that there are “injustices” to address… which was the whole point of criticizing the USSR (from a leftist perspective) the entire time.
“Western and also Third World intellectuals were attracted to the Bolshevik counterrevolution [sic] because Leninism is, after all, a doctrine that says that the radical intelligentsia have a right to take state power and to run their countries by force, and that is an idea which is rather appealing to intellectuals.”
Well that’s true. Enlightened intellectuals tend to consider the people too stupid to self-organize or have an informed opinion on things. The author would do himself a great service by analyzing what he finds wrong in this quote, instead of just asserting it’s plain wrong without explanations.
(Lenin) Yet he himself is repeatedly identified as an ultra-left putschist by mainstream journalists and some on the Left.
Yet again, what’s wrong with this? Lenin literally came back to Russia in the middle of a revolution, organized a military putsch, and jailed/killed all opposition. Not only did he do it but he advocated for this as “vanguard” and “dictatorship of the proletariat”.
Left anticommunists find any association with communist organizations to be morally unacceptable because of the “crimes of communism.” Yet many of them are themselves associated with the Democratic Party
Wow we are definitely not talking about the same “leftists”. Remember the author was citing Chomsky as an example of left anti-communism. How is Chomsky any close to the Democratic Party?
the perks enjoyed by party and government elites were modest by corporate CEO standards in the West (…) Soviet leaders like Yuri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev lived (…) in a housing project near the Kremlin set aside for government leaders. They had limousines at their disposal (like most other heads of state) and access to large dachas where they entertained visiting dignitaries.
Right on point. But how does that make such injustice acceptable? Noone is arguing that western neoliberalism is “better” than USSR State capitalism. At least noone on the left.
But a real socialism, it is argued, would be controlled by the workers themselves through direct participation instead of being run by Leninists, Stalinists, Castroites, or other ill-willed, power-hungry, bureaucratic, cabals of evil men who betray revolutions. Unfortunately, this “pure socialism” view is ahistorical and nonfalsifiable; it cannot be tested against the actualities of history.
It’s a historical view. There are countless examples of such movements throughout history, except in marxist-leninist “history” because they have been entirely erased.
The armed workers would take control of production without benefit of managers, state planners, bureaucrats, or a formal military. While undeniably appealing, this worker syndicalism denies the necessities of state power. Under such an arrangement, the Nicaraguan revolution would not have lasted two months against the U.S.-sponsored counterrevolution that savaged the country
This is a fallacy! That military activities requires central planning goes mostly without doubt (though some could argue otherwise). But that does not mean that central military power should hold political power over the local population. Two historical examples:
- the Makhnovtchina held zero political power over the communes of Ukraine
- the EZLN holds to this day zero political power over the zapatistas caracoles
On the contrary, it is arguable that personal/communal autonomy is a fuel that drives people to defend the revolution with all their heart, whereas conscription or being ordered to execute your neighbors or union comrades is not exactly a good motivation…
All this is not to say that everything Stalin did was of historical necessity. The exigencies of revolutionary survival did not “make inevitable” the heartless execution of hundreds of Old Bolshevik leaders, the personality cult of a supreme leader who claimed every revolutionary gain as his own achievement, the suppression of party political life through terror, the eventual silencing of debate regarding the pace of industrialization and collectivization, the ideological regulation of all intellectual and cultural life, and the mass deportations of “suspect” nationalities.
Correct. But i find it weird not to apply the same kind of historical criticism to Lenin/Trotsky.
In fact, the capitalist restoration in Eastern Europe seriously weakened the numerous Third World liberation struggles that had received aid from the Soviet Union and brought a whole new crop of right-wing governments into existence, ones that now worked hand-in-glove with U.S. global counterrevolutionaries around the globe.
Correct.
No longer needing to convince workers that they live better than their counterparts in Russia, no longer restrained by a competing system, the corporate class is rolling back the many gains that working people have won over the years.
Correct.
Having never understood the role that existing communist powers played in tempering the worst impulses of Western capitalism, and having perceived communism as nothing but an unmitigated evil, the left anticommunists did not anticipate the losses that were to come. Some of them still don’t get it.
I somewhat agree with this interpretation. But i could also take it from another angle: Having never understood the role that perspectives of actual freedom & equality for all played in tempering the worst impulses of tyranny, and having perceived anarchism as nothing but chaos, the marxist-leninists did not anticipate the losses that were to come. Some of them still don’t get it.
I personally would love if voting was restricted to members of a specific community. That would truly help augment the signal/noise ratio. Practical example: it’s not uncommon on /c/anarchism to have stalinist fanboys come and mass-downvote all they can find… except our forum is not intended for them to consume/judge.
Well The Register’s article does not sound anti-Wikipedia at all. In fact i would argue it’s pretty much pro-Wikipedia, since this kind of nonsensical “vandalism” (as they say in wiki land) is entirely transparent and so was possible to identify at all.
Now yogthos is pretty much anti-Wikipedia because they see it as a pro-US propaganda machine. Which is silly, you just have to read articles on Julian Assange, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, CoIntelPro, or NSA to realize that many Wikipedia articles directly contradict US national interests and propaganda apparatus.
Unfortunately there is close to zero trustworthy hardware manufacturer these days. In the DIY world there’s still Virax or Festool who have a well-deserved good reputation. In the laptop/phone space there’s some manufacturers making efforts like System76/Librem and a few others, but they still have no power over all the components so obsolescence (planed or not) still applies.
But in the 2D printer world it’s just… mafia everywhere. Apparently print heads are remarkable high-tech that are designed around specific ink mechanical properties to handle, and there’s very few people/corporations with the know-how and the budget to produce these. That’s why you find an abundance of free-hardware 3D printers (a heating head is easy to manufacture) but exactly zero free-hardware 2D printer.
I personally would spend more money than i should on a free-hardware 2D printer. Printers are usually the worst pieces of hardware i have to interact with.
That’s a very good example, thanks for sharing!! Personally, something i’ve witnessed in some place i won’t name but was fucking amazing was support groups that organized as a no-face militia to threaten bosses who didn’t respect workers… like refused to pay them in restaurants. From what i could see with my eyes they were very very quick to pay before we made a mess.
According to Videolan org there is officially no motive communicated yet, but as the article points out there’s a correlation that some viruses used forked VLC as a means of reaching targets lately. It’s not far-fetched to imagine that someone, somewhere in an office who has no idea what “compiling” even means thought they need to block the (official) VLC website to stop the infections.
Negating our differences of lived experience is precisely what divides us and what enables to have divided struggles that don’t threaten the oligarchy. Marxist ideology in particular is really bad in that it’s a universal dogma (except for modern intersectional marxist critique).
We need to accept that we all have different experiences and make that our strength to build actual unity along our shared interests. As long as we have marxists/anarchists stay blind to gender and race oppression, it’s very likely for mainstream anti-racist/anti-sexist organizing to remain blind to class issues.
There is a strong demand for class-based organizing in various “specific” struggles. Whether working-class organizations open the doors to such critiques/movements defines whether we’ll be divided or not.
Mandatory reading on the topic: https://usa.anarchistlibraries.net/library/the-women-s-causus-of-the-anarchist-federaton-uk-a-class-struggle-anarchist-analysis-of-privile
I recommend you read some history. Many popular uprisings have been led by women at the forefront. That organized workers movements gave them little space/autonomy (much like for non-white people) is undeniable, but to say that worker struggles were a “men’s right movement” is a REALLY far stretch.
I’m not from the USA but for example there two major figures of the workers movement in late 19th century / early 20th were Emma Goldman and Lucy Parsons. That they’ve been mostly erased from history books tells more about who writes/distributes the books and their agenda than about a perceived lack of women in social struggles.
For example, when it comes to anarchism people usually recommend reading Kropotkin/Bakunin/Proudhon, slipping under the carpet the many theoretical contributions of women. If only to name one, read Emma Goldman ;)
If you’re into golang, mellium.im looks like a decent library (i played around with it but nothing serious). It’s evolving rather quickly although it’s still lacking behind in features, but the maintainer is friendly and very welcome to devs using the library to find out the pain points and missing features.
I think the rest of the thread has good arguments on the topic, but the main idea is that regulations around sex work mostly impact sex workers and not the client. Even the criminalization of clients results in bad outcomes for the workers, so if you’d like to frame prostitution as a question of workers rights and public health, it’s important to center the debate around the experiences and problems of sex workers themselves.
To paraphrase someone else, as long as money exist there will be sex work. The question is what kind of labor conditions do we want for the sex workers?
In France most police officers who committed abuse and sticked through the entire process are in fact promoted. There’s a “meme” (not a graphical gag) about murderous police officers from northern France being relocated to sunny mediterranean parts as a thank you for abusing the population, and there’s some historical truth to that.
By abusing the population, a cop fulfills their duty to the State. If they can successfully stick to their version of the story and support the police/State apparatus while under media pressure and scrutiny, they have successfully demonstrated their loyalty to the powers in place. That’s why you often see cops who orchestrated massive abuse being promoted to higher ranks in the hierarchy in the next years.
Good point, but unfortunately recycling materials is really hard processes. Most IT materials cannot be recycled (at least with current techniques), and to extract the “recyclable” materials requires considerable amounts of harmful/polluting chemicals. For example, extracting gold from electronics is a common practice in electronic landfills, but the process isn’t eco-friendly.
I’m not saying extracting new resources is better for the environment, far from it. I’m just saying the situation is real bad currently.
We can! There’s an entire research field of “green IT” dedicated to that. However, there is 0 practical industrial application because the industry is focused on performance, not recyclability. Recyclable computers would probably be bigger and heavier, and we may not have 4k ultra-portable devices, but i personally think the tradeoff is worthwhile.
I believe the state should interfere in economics, protect its citizens from monopolies and ruthless profit oriented tactics and provide support for those in need
I’m curious how you consider that compatible with private property. Let’s take a practical example: in France there’s over a million empty dwellings, and there’s people sleeping on the streets. What do you consider is the most sensible course of action: let people sleep on the streets, or take over empty dwellings to rehouse everyone unconditionally?
If you believe human needs are more important than arbitrary religious beliefs like money/property then i’m afraid you are very much against the principle of private property which says that resources are “owned” by someone and only that specific person gets to decide how those resources are used.
I don’t disagree, but that argument is limited. First, because someone has to be the person asking on the forums: (at least) one person will have to go to great lengths to find the answer for what is not documented in advance. Second, because you don’t always have internet access to perform a search. Third, because documenting well-known quirks and patterns helps build a better understanding on how things fit together and what painpoints can be addressed as a project.
I was serious about my question. Apart from FreeBSD, do you know of a distro that comes with a comprehensive manual? I really like the Debian admin handbook but i believe it’s a shame this has to be done by “external” contributor (it’s not a core project to the distro) and certainly does not cover all parts of the system unfortunately.
Exactly, which was my original point: the Taliban set up a moral order in which women must be discreet and not have visible sexuality, while in most parts of the Global North after the “sexual revolution” of the 60s we have set up a new moral order in which women must be sexually desirable and available at all times. In both cases, it’s a moral standard set by men to meet their expectations of how women should behave, which is in itself a patriarchal construct and needs to burn!
For example, LGBTQ+ right movements are leftist in some sense
I don’t think this is true at all. I believe queer movements could be interpreted to be leftist in some sense, in that they defy current norms and expectations, but there’s many many LGBT people who are very conservative or outright fascists. Take a look at the top10 trans youtubers for example, or to give an example closer to home, Florian Philippot is a famous gay politician from the fascist party Front National.
I would also argue that women have often been instrumentalized in colonial discourse (“white men protecting brown women from brown men”), and that lately this discourse has shifted to include trans/gay people (pinkwashing). Two examples:
- in Palestine, Israel is often framed as the progressive LGBT-friendly bastion of freedom against the “islamic barbarians”
- in France and in Western Europe in general there’s a growing trope of the “rapefugee” in the past years, and there’s a public/mediatic construct that homophobia (transphobia is not yet really part of public discourse) is a product of non-white people in the suburbs ; there’s certainly abuse/prejudice in popular neighborhoods, but building this image allows to completely erase the vast amount of abuse/prejudice experienced in white rich neighborhood or in the workplace
All in all, i would say reproductive rights and views on gender are different axis than left/right. They could be fitted on a top/down authoritarian-libertarian axis (in that they represent personal self-determination vs society-driven roles) but could as well become axis of their own.
As I seem to understand from other comments that you are French, may I ask whether you know (/ what you think about) the Peertube channel !esprit_critique ?
I am french on papers, although proudly anti-french in spirit (being an anarchist). I don’t know about this video channel though. I’ll try to think to take a look, don’t hesitate to remind me in the future ;)
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing! Though personally i don’t understand why we need to make so many distros, i think it’s a symptom of some failure at some point in the software supply chain.
It should be fun and trivial to build special packages on a special repository that package useful software and configurations. If it’s not and we have to build an entirely new distro (and rebuild/patch all packages in the long run) for trivial modifications, there’s a problem.
I mean there’s hundreds of Debian/Ubuntu forks simply focusing on settings presets or a specific desktop environment. Of course there’s the official Debian blends and Ubuntu spins, but i feel like they’re mostly not addressing the issue. It should be trivial for me to take my favorite packages/settings for my favorite distro and turn that into a bootable iso that will apply my favorite settings without having to maintain an entire distro that’s going to be plagued by unapplied security patches sooner or later.
Sex robots are far more ethical and accessible than prostitution
I strongly disagree, for three major reasons:
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sex robots produce new forms of dehumanization: i have nothing against masturbation and/or employing ordinary objects to take pleasure, but giving human characteristics to a robot that’s supposed to be used as a passive object could (i don’t have the science on this topic sorry) make it easier to objectify other people as well ; this question is widely being debated in the topic of personal voice assistants (Siri, Cortana…) and how having a docile human-sounding could encourage verbal/emotional abuse
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sex robots are polluting: they’re electro-mechanical parts assembled from raw human suffering (in mines/factories) that help completely destroy the environment ; in that sense, prostitution (given some protection for sex workers) is an organic and eco-friendly alternative to sex robots
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parallel (but not equal) to point 1 is that from what i gather from my friends who do sex work on a regular basis, a lot of clients employ their services not just for sex but for emotional bonding/support, to escape their miserable daily lives or just to have someone to talk to (or practice weird kinks with) without judgement… this kind of capacity will never be provided by a robot
In addition to what @poVoq@lemmy.ml said, coat-hanger abortions are famous for being particularly unsafe. So i agree with your point but what are the alternatives?
“We don’t work with advertisers. We only work with governments and secret police to slaughter their own population or go colonize other countries.” <-- that line of defense reminds me of the Amesys story, in which french television interviewed an Amesys representative who insisted their spyware they sold to north african dictatorships before the arab spring only ever caught terrorists and pedophiles ^^
Maybe we need a dedicated thread, but “merit-based” immigration is a racist scam. When you go travel abroad with your fancy european/american ID, are you asked for the merits you’re gonna bring to the countries you’re visiting?
Why can i with a french passport travel anywhere in the former french colonies without a visa, while Mali/Senegal/etc citizens require a long process to acquire a visa?
What does it mean to judge people based on their “merit”? How is that evaluated? As someone born in France, should i be evaluated based on my merits too? Why do immigrants who wish to reside in France get indoctrinated/interrogated about about stories and ideas i disagree with as a french person? Why is it ok for me to disagree with the french Empire but not with immigrants?
I don’t in absolute (and in isolation from other questions) disagree with the principle of chosen immigration. If we lived in an autonomous community and could only sustain 200 people, we’d have to be careful who we let in and how they can help the community thrive. But “chosen” immigration on a country-scale in some of the richest countries on earth where there’s millions of empty dwellings and tons of wasted food is just a racist scam.
What would attract you about this idea? Why do you feel like it’s even needed in the first place?
PS: See, we can have debates here on lemmy.ml too :P :P
You mean when you have “leftists” doing free-labor propaganda for one of the wealthiest imperialist leaders on Earth (Putin)? :D
i don’t really like this bubble theory. It’s important to have a comfort zone where you can express yourself freely, and that’s incompatible with a fully open-door policy (no moderation). In the global north, people complaining about filter bubbles are really complaining about people escaping from the majority view, which is a feature not a bug.
But i agree with you that some places to meet/debate is very good. Nobody was born anarchist or queer, and only through debate and praxis can we evolve to become better versions of ourselves. Hell, i’ve met some right-wingers in my life who were much more left-wing than some communists (i said some)…
Incredible community! Maybe some day i should try and participate there instead of writing ansible spaghetti code :P