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    “We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the 'unnecessary war, ’ described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen chances to stop Hitler. It’s not about NATO. It’s not about American weapons in Ukraine. It’s about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms.”

    He did say what was in the title quote.

    If I was being really generous, I’d say this is a nuanced statement saying that Hitler could have been stopped in a hundred different ways before it ever got to that point. I’m not inclined to be generous to Lindsay Graham, however. Part of that is because people who were Graham’s political ancestors in Germany–people like von Hindenburg, or Georg Neithardt, the judge in the Beer Hall Putsch trial–are the one’s at the top of the list of people who could have stopped it much sooner.

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      In context it’s clear that he is saying we should have acted sooner and it was a failure for not having done so. The title makes it sound like he is claiming dday itself was a failure, rather than it being the result of a failure. It’s garbage and reporting and should be treated as such.

      I’m not inclined to be generous to Lindsay Graham, however

      You’re outright admitting that you aren’t being objective.

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        You’re outright admitting that you aren’t being objective.

        Yes, because Graham is a fuck head. I don’t feel the need to worship objectivity.

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          Plenty of actual solid reasons to hold the opinion that he is a fuck head. Giving the middle finger to the facts in order to do so is completely unnecessary, and likely counterproductive because it just makes it easy to dismiss your claims as coming from someone unreasonable. You are also justifying believing whatever you want reality to be, kind of like a Trump supporter. It’s shocking that people would be proud of denying reality.

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            In context it’s clear that he is saying we should have acted sooner and it was a failure for not having done so

            In even larger context, Graham is one of the one’s not acting sooner by giving Trump a pass. The generous interpretation is still hypocritical, but why even grant him the generous interpretation?

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              I’m not generously interpreting his statement, it’s clear what he’s saying. If we’re being objective, of course. Is he a hypocrite? Yes. Does this change that it’s clear what he said? No.

              Remember, just because you don’t like someone doesn’t mean you have to interpret everything about them as negatively as possible. You can still remain objective.

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      He did say what was in the title quote.

      Who was it who said “He’s truly lost his mind,” the quote that appears at the start of the title, which some might describe as, “the title quote?” Was it, perhaps, an Internet user identified in the article only as “SnarkyPanda,” who some might describe as, “a random internet person?”

      If I was being really generous

      That’s not “being really generous,” it’s the obvious interpretation and the only coherent one. How do you interpret it, exactly? That he thinks fighting Hitler was bad because he thinks Hitler was good? How on earth does that make any sense whatsoever with the overall point he was making?

      It’s clickbait soundbite outrage porn for people who either can’t read or have no interest in reading. It’s no different from what you’d find in a celebrity tabloid, just for a different audience.