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    3 months ago

    And you think that Cheney is representative of “loyal Americans”?

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      It’s not a matter of opinion. We have objective evidence. Either Cheney warned that Trump was “the most dangerous individual in American history” or he did not. We can look it up and find that he did. Not that this has nothing to do with his ordinary political opinions. It doesn’t matter whether you or me like his political opinions or not. It only matters what he did in regards to Trump’s disloyalty.

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        Cheney caused the death of thousands of soldiers across 3 different wars over the course of 30 years. He and Gonzalez should be rotting in a cell for war crimes and intentionally lying to cause a war. Someone who kills 15 innocent people isn’t better than someone who killed 20. They are all ghouls and monsters same as Trump. They would have been hos sycophants 20 years ago when they were at their peaks. What has Trump done that was actually worse than anything GWB did? And this isn’t a defense of either Bush, simply stating that Trump was the logical next step for everything those ghouls stood for.

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          What has Trump done that was actually worse than anything GWB did?

          He tried to overturn the will of the people. He tried to overthrow democracy.

          We may not like what Cheney did, but Cheney recognizes the people’s right to reject his policies. Sex Offender Treason Trump does not. That is crucial. That is more important than any particular policy.

          Do you know what is worse than politicians doing something bad? Politicians doing something bad and the people not having the power to replace them. Putin felt free to invade Ukraine because he knows that Russians lost the power to replace him.

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            Bush did that in 2000. His brother was the governor of Florida in 2000, the supreme court ordered all recounts in the state stop, so a full recount never occurred, giving Florida to Bush. And now 3 of Bush’s lawyers from the Bush vs. Gore trial sit on the Supreme Court. Bush successfully stole an election, you only care that Trump failed to steal his. Or maybe you are just upset because Trump did it in an ugly, mask off fashion, instead of using blatant corruption to steal an election the good ol’ fashioned way.

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              Bush successfully stole an election,

              Possibly. And that could be why Bush doesn’t endorse Harris. Cheney isn’t Bush.

              you only care that Trump failed to steal his.

              I cared about both elections dude. Why are you making up stupid shit?

              Or maybe you are just upset because Trump did it in an ugly, mask off fashion, instead of using blatant corruption to steal an election the good ol’ fashioned way.

              Bush gave Treason Trump the idea by contesting the 2000 election. So yes he gets some of the blame. But Trump did an all out fascist Putsch.

              There are 2 huge problems with your way of thinking:

              It is idiotic to criticize Republicans for criticizing Trump We need all loyal Americans on our side.

              By you pretending this is just another normal election rather that a unique event in all of American history, you are treating this election the same way Treason Trump is treating this election. This is NOT a normal election and you are playing into Treason Trump’s hands by treating this as a normal partisan election instead of the biggest attack on democracy in American history.