Europe wonāt be able to finance Ukraineās defenses against Russiaās invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trumpās next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.
Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.
āThe Americans are going to get out of this war,ā Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. āEurope canāt finance this war on its own.ā
Yeah the best way to discourage a revanchist is to give him what he wants. Succeeding in Ukraine will definitely convince Putin not to attack the baltics, poland, or finland.
If NATO is really as effective as itās claimed to be, then the baltics, Poland, and Finland have nothing to worry about.
The enemy is both strong and weak. Russia is a paper tiger that will roll over all of Europe.
Thatās what I donāt get. Russia is a laughing stock with its outdated equipment and inability to conquer Ukraine, yet it is also a massive threat to Europe leading Sweden and Finland scrambling to join NATO.
And if we are to believe that NATO is an effective alliance, then surely Russia will go no further than Ukraine. Yet we canāt let Putin win because he will try to go further than Ukraine.
Make it make sense. Some people are talking out both sides of their mouths.
You donāt understand what Russia wants; you understand what Western propaganda tells you it wants.
INB4 NATO is a defensive alliance.
Just because you can cherry pick a dozen articles from the last TEN YEARS about NATO and Ukraine doesnāt make you right.
I donāt even need an article to refute all of that - Russia attacked a neighbor unprovoked, NATO has attacked NOBODY ever.
This isnāt true, unless Arabs arenāt people. Being a liberal we probably arenāt people to you so whatever crimes NATO committed doesnāt count.
Edit: I always forget Yugoslavia, a European country that NATO attacked. The US even bombed the Chinese embassy there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
I just showed you any number of Western media sources on how it was provoked, but hereās another from Jeffrey Sachs: The War in Ukraine Was Provokedāand Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
For just two examples, NATO bombed the city of Belgrade for 78 straight days, and it destroyed Libya.
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That is not what happened. It is now known that that was in fact a false flag attack by CIA-backed Banderite fascists. It is also now known that the āpeaceful protestā was not entirely grassroots, but rather astroturfed.
But why am I wasting my arguing with you when youāre obviously here for some reason to carry water for imperialists? The US is aiding and abetting a genocide in Palestine as we speak, yet somehow you still think weāre the good guys (though, to be fair, I wouldnāt call Russia a perfect angel, either).
Lol. Neoliberal wrecking crew turned autocratās errand boy.
Naomi Klein wasnāt wrong about neoliberal/neocolonial shock therapy, but she was wrong to paint Sachs as the great villain of that story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWYZpF2ngnc
History has misjudged Jeffery Sachs according toā¦ Jeffery Sachs!
Letās be real, heās the main guy pushing the āNATO expansionā theory of Russian aggression everywhere, and it exists mainly to cover for his own crimes.
Whatās more likely: that Russian revanchism came from anger over some arcane treaty negotiations, or that it came from the absolute collapse in material condition, civil society, population, daily lived experience and life expectancy that Russians experienced as Sachs and his evil clients dismantled the once-great civilization for their own enrichment? What do you think Marxās assessment of those two theories would be?
Sachs is a bag man. He helped the oligarchs destroy Russia and then he made himself useful to the new ruler when they were gone. He also spends a lot of time in Beijing and has a lot of good things to say about Xi as well. The guyās a serpent.
Well thereās your problem: you believe the imperial coreās narrative that this is about āRussian revanchismā and not about decades of NATO expansion or Western Ukrainian fascists terrorizing eastern Ukrainians for almost a decade.
Believe what you like, but you donāt seem to be winning any hearts and minds here, and hardly anyone reads this far down conversation threads, anyway.
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Amazing how there are still people here who donāt understand that NATO lost.
NATO are only tough against small countries with marginal militaries.
Itās literally an alliance of bullies.