Europe wonāt be able to finance Ukraineās defenses against Russiaās invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trumpās next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.
Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.
āThe Americans are going to get out of this war,ā Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. āEurope canāt finance this war on its own.ā
Can this guy die already? And Fico too? It would help the region immensely.
The only positive outcome from Harris losing.
Says the man always dragging his feet when time comes to support Ukraineās self-defense
Orban only fears the EU gives less money to him.
Once again, Orban says exactly what Putin wants him to say
At some point it becomes malicious to even print what he says
Iām sick & tired of this āvegetarians are just repeating Hitler talking pointsā fallacious reasoning.
Two people can come to the same conclusion without one parroting the other. In fact two people can come to the same conclusion for completely different reasons, or through completely different reasoning.
There is an unfortunate reality that there is a tipping point. At some point, Europe will need to cede Ukraine and stock up for itself to defend the next Russian incursion.
Yeah the best way to discourage a revanchist is to give him what he wants. Succeeding in Ukraine will definitely convince Putin not to attack the baltics, poland, or finland.
You donāt understand what Russia wants; you understand what Western propaganda tells you it wants.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraineās regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: āI want to bring up a warriorā: Ukraineās far-right childrenās camp ā video
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Bakerās famous ānot one inch eastwardā assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraineās neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraineās new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 āpro-Russiaā parties?
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far RightāLed Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The Westās Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennettās recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
INB4 NATO is a defensive alliance.
- Counterpunch, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous āDefensiveā Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO āmost violent, aggressive alliance in the worldā
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
If NATO is really as effective as itās claimed to be, then the baltics, Poland, and Finland have nothing to worry about.
The enemy is both strong and weak. Russia is a paper tiger that will roll over all of Europe.
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If the US allows Israel to annex the North of Gaza like it allowed it to annex the Golan Heights, Russia can just point to that as precedent and evidence of US double standards.
I disagree, Europe needs to never cede Ukraine at any costāanything else is rewarding the warmonger
Yeah, why would Europe do that? After all its Ukrainians who will continue dying after being kidnapped off the streets and forbidden to leave the country.
Enjoy your life, and donāt think of hundreds of thousands dead people (not like you ever did that of course)ā¦
Donāt put a shitheadās message in the headline. It spreads it. Headlines must be true, not false.
Look up George Lakoff videos, everybody.
The Eurozone is structurally neoliberal, austerian, and anti-Keynesian, and Europeāwhich was already greatly de-industrializedāis right now further de-industrializing thanks to their self-imposed sanctions against Russia (and thanks to their NATO āpartnerā blowing up their gas pipeline), which has raised energy prices.
Orban is correct.
Heās wrong of course, Europeās economy is many times stronger than Russiaās. The real question is if they can find the collective will to defend themselves.
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Agreed. Apparently the mod does not agree.
In a sane world, orban, putin, Fico and Trump would have been rid of years ago
Orban is a traitor to democracy and mankind, fuck him.
The Americans are going to get out of this war,
I just hope he is correct
I hope the Russians get out of it as it has hurt them the most.
The Americans arenāt in the war. Theyāre just dealing in arms.
