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They rejected kings and were sincerely concerned about the possibility of a dictatorship. But we need to move past founder-worship and focus on justice.
They rejected kings and were sincerely concerned about the possibility of a dictatorship. But we need to move past founder-worship and focus on justice.
Its hilarious to me that people think that the founding fathers, who ostensibly designed this entire country specifically for the benefit of the land-owning gentry, would hate maga politics.
Im like 99% sure that the founding fathers would probably hate legitimately democratic politics. They were never interested in actual democracy in the first place. They were interested in entrenching their position as the ruling class of this country. Thats it.
“They stood against monarchy!1!1!” Yeah, they did, they stood against one guy having the power because they wanted that power for themselves. Not because they wanted that power vested widely amongst common individuals. “No taxation without representation” wasnt really about representation. The colonies could have easily argued for representation, people like Benjamin Franklin were vocal in trying to push that as the best choice for their future, and Britain was not an absolute monarchy by any means. They simply didnt give territorial/colonial subjects the same rights as citizens, which is exactly what the United States has done the entire time it has had colonies itself. US territories have no say in the government that unilaterally controls them.
The majority of the founding fathers were basically a bunch of libertarians who just wanted to not pay taxes. British colonists in North America were the richest and least taxed people in the entire world at the time, and they were severely spoiled by it.
People seriously need to get over their views of historical actors as these benevolent and infallible characters in some fairy tale story of them envisioning a country built for the good of everyone. These were the same guys that relied on indentured servitude and slavery to make their money. They believed quite strongly in themselves having superiority over the commoner, let alone their opinions of peoples who werent white.
I would bet every dollar I have that if the founding fathers snapped back to life right now that they would be no different than the maga morons or libertarians that want to run this country into the ground
This is an .ml take. There are many, many writings where they opposed specific policies now undertaken by the Trump regime. You can start with the Declaration of Independence if you’d like.
Regardless, they’re dead and we’re not. Governments are for the living. (That’s something they thought too, by the way.)
I think they would. Land-owning gentry culture had one visible advantage over most of modern political culture - if you make a rule, then you follow it, and if you say a word, you mean it. It was important, people would fight on duels for these things about them being put in doubt. Not that they all would really act this way, of course.
Differences between MAGA and Democrats for this purpose are not important.
I think they would find some similarities with libertarians for the reason stated above. Some.
But in general I think they’d disown whatever in the modern world is ascribed to them.