One of the biggest historical arguments on the left from all sides is against the idea of Utopianism. There are huge, obvious problems with capitalism that can be fixed, but they’re not the end of it. Where we go from there is almost anyone’s guess.
The immediate problem we have is that the 1% own everything and control everything. And, if they own everything and control everything we don’t really have democracy, do we. That’s what people are saying about contradictions. If we can somehow make it so the people own everything and control everything, we’ll be several steps ahead.
Because Communism is an actual scientific economic theory that works so well that even capitalists study it to learn how to do capitalism better and not easily disproven, pseudoscientific, social Darwinist nonsense like fascism.
Off topic but, I’ve seen you posting a few times here and wanted to say that you’ve got a great screen name and Woody Guthrie would almost definitely be on a platform like this, were he online (and alive).
Almost every socialist party in the world focuses on things they’ll do right now, not in some hypothetical future. I’m a communist because I want improvements to the conditions of the working class immediately, even if it doesn’t create some utopia. That’s why in Chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto there’s a list of immediate demands once a socialist party takes power, things like abolition of rent-seeking and inheritance.
Because they look at the contradictions and blame them on things like some ethnic group ruining everything. Labor movements have actually traditionally done a lot of that, but fascists solely want to blame regular working class people for the issues that capitalism wrought. (And exterminate them.) And again, we try to avoid talks of utopia. We just want to move on from capitalism.
And while you may say something that sounds rational, it may not sound as rational to everyone, especially if they are seeped in a lot of racist propaganda.
How do you deprogram someone who has been told their entire life that Jews and immigrants are the real problem that Jews and immigrants aren’t?
One of the biggest historical arguments on the left from all sides is against the idea of Utopianism. There are huge, obvious problems with capitalism that can be fixed, but they’re not the end of it. Where we go from there is almost anyone’s guess.
The immediate problem we have is that the 1% own everything and control everything. And, if they own everything and control everything we don’t really have democracy, do we. That’s what people are saying about contradictions. If we can somehow make it so the people own everything and control everything, we’ll be several steps ahead.
But why trust a system that says “don’t worry, we’ll get there eventually” when other systems say the exact same thing?
Fascists talk of utopia, why not believe them?
Because Communism is an actual scientific economic theory that works so well that even capitalists study it to learn how to do capitalism better and not easily disproven, pseudoscientific, social Darwinist nonsense like fascism.
Off topic but, I’ve seen you posting a few times here and wanted to say that you’ve got a great screen name and Woody Guthrie would almost definitely be on a platform like this, were he online (and alive).
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Almost every socialist party in the world focuses on things they’ll do right now, not in some hypothetical future. I’m a communist because I want improvements to the conditions of the working class immediately, even if it doesn’t create some utopia. That’s why in Chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto there’s a list of immediate demands once a socialist party takes power, things like abolition of rent-seeking and inheritance.
Because they look at the contradictions and blame them on things like some ethnic group ruining everything. Labor movements have actually traditionally done a lot of that, but fascists solely want to blame regular working class people for the issues that capitalism wrought. (And exterminate them.) And again, we try to avoid talks of utopia. We just want to move on from capitalism.
And while you may say something that sounds rational, it may not sound as rational to everyone, especially if they are seeped in a lot of racist propaganda.
How do you deprogram someone who has been told their entire life that Jews and immigrants are the real problem that Jews and immigrants aren’t?
You take power and start fixing the problems, and you ban people who thinks Jews and immigrants are the problem from saying that or holding any power.
If you want to see some of the most disturbing shit ever recorded about that. CW I don’t have all the Hexbear features, it’s the act of killing. It’s a doc where they interview people who murdered about a million suspected communists in Indonesia and then had some of the people who did it put on a production about it: https://www.nipissingu.ca/library/video-streaming-nipissing/humanities-and-social-sciences-videos/act-killing
Also, these guys are still walking around and are deeply embedded into local politics.
Hell if I know.