A fishing boat crowded with migrants traveling from Libya to Italy sank in Greek waters last week. While hundreds are still missing and feared dead, it has garnered far less attention and resources than the Titan rescue efforts for five people.
While fucked up, it’s disinguinuous suggest that the news is blowing up only due to the fact that they’re billionaires. While large boat disasters are fairly uncommon, how often do you hear of a submarine disaster. Especially one where the inhabitants are missing but potentially on a timer - trapped in a submarine with no way to open from the inside, many peoples ultimate fear. The story writes itself, pile on what seems to be a neglectful company and you’ve got a story people are going to be invested in. I don’t think the coverage or the search and rescue would be any different if it were a scientific submarine with scientists.
The Thai cave boys are another good example. They were rural third-worlders, but it still became a sensation. It just has to be bloody and dramatic to attract attention. A story like “people on boat drown again” is too mundane, it becomes a statistic instead of a tragedy.
What’s really irksome is that these rich guys that pay people to put them weird but often already-explored places get called “explorers”.
Rich people think spending money is what makes them special.
My favorite lately is the rise of the ‘world traveler’ who treats travel as a moral imperative that elevates them above those who can’t or don’t have the means to spend 5-6 figures per year on international vacations.
International travel certainly does broaden a person’s perspective. It’s great if your can do it, but anyone acting superior because they can travel is just an asshole.
I enjoy traveling but it does bring a bit of guilt that I have the ability to do it when so many people never will.
Hoping there’s some advancing in vr/ar to provide better cultural sharing and better immigration reception to provide the physical interactions.
I have to wonder if these people are really getting the straight dope anyway, or going to all the tourist spots and being shown what they want to see. They’re definitely not hanging out in a refugee camp if they’re spending that much.
This is effectively saying, “This article is correct but for the wrong reasons”. People aren’t angry about why hundreds of migrants dying isn’t newsworthy. They’re angry that it’s not newsworthy.
I’m frankly surprised that not enough people find it disgusting that the EU passively killing hundreds of refugees is less interesting because the EU does so regularly.
It would absolutely be different if it were scientists. The memes about billionaires and the sub are all over the place. Bezos should go on a sub and explore the titanic too and all that shit.
The migrant boat sank in the Mediterranean off the coast of Greece. While a tragedy, it’s largely irrelevant to the US news. It’s not like it was a migrant boat from South America going to the US. Those do happen and they become huge news here.
The Titan submersible happened off the coast of Canada and the US and Canadian coast guards were involved. The company running the excursions is American. That’s a lot more relevant to US news.
Looking at European news, the BBC has been covering the migrant boat disaster. It’s been reported in US news too. ABC started covering it over a week ago when it first happened.
Yeah, having a shittily built submarine for a billionaire to visit the most famous shipwreck in the world while then joining those who died there 100 years ago, is a pretty unique story that we’ll now always remember whenever we talk about the titanic.
There’s a real irony in naming your submarine after a shipwreck, neglecting all safety devices like the shipwreck, and talking about how the hull was indestructible.
There’s a lot of complaining about, “why is news covering these billionaires, there’s nothing tragic about their circumstance” versus “you’d have to be heartless not to sympathize with such a horrifying fate”
But the real villain here is our morbid curiosity. It has nothing to do with sympathy nor classism. Dozens drowning by relatively conventional means? Eh people die every day, whatever. A family dying in a particularly bizarre and agonizing manner? Oooh let’s think about and discuss in detail what their final moments may be like! We can dress it up in hate or dress it up in kindness, but the real reason anybody is interested is that it’s just a weird way to die.
The world is a stage and we love a good horror story.
The awful truth is that migrants drowning on the sea crossing to Europe or to the UK is mundane. It happens regularly, so it’s not news. A sub drowning near the Titanic is newsworthy.
Also it’s unfair to compare it to the migrant story. Most Americans and Europeans are very hateful towards people from MENA so they are either indifferent or supportive of such “accidents”. Obviously they are going to care more about some rich idiots literally crushed by their own hubris.
While I don’t necessarily disagree with you. It would be interesting to know what would happen if each one of those 50 immigrants paid $250,000 to be on that boat. I don’t think money had nothing to do with it.
I think the issue is the resources dedicated to each disaster.
I don’t know if all the immigrants died though, so there may not have been a point in rescuing them at all.
There have been plenty of resources dedicated to rescuing the migrants. Over 100 have been rescued.
A big issue in the news coverage is that the migrant boat sank in the Ionian Sea in the Mediterranean. The Titan submersible was off the coast of Canada. So the news coverage in America largely focused on the thing happening near America. Same with the search and rescue. The US and Canadian coast guards were deployed for the search.
The Greek coast guard ran the search and rescue for the migrant boat since it happened off the coast of Greece.
I think this is a rather disingenuous read of the situation. The drama of the situation should not overshadow the gravity of the difference between the number of human beings in question, it’s disturbing that anyone would find this even remotely acceptable because it’s more dramatic. And that’s not to mention the discrepancy in response and spending on each issue. It’s a true indictment of our societies.
There are people dying all the time, so the ones that are “news worthy” (i.e. attention grabbing) are the unique ones with stories that set them apart, and often it’s more relatable when it effects fewer people so it’s less abstract. I don’t think it’s an indictment of our societies, it just plays off of how our brains work.
I’m pretty sure those immigrants have more interesting stories to tell than a billionaire. Just saying.
Living your entire life in a warzone or in inhospitable environments that force you to leave your family behind and getting drowned while the general society ignores the underlying problem seems more worthy of questioning than a billionaire trying to go sightseeing thinking their money shields them from nature. I’d post a clip of a movie that fits here perfectly, but the clip is not on youtube, for anyone interested, look up ‘whatever works’ with Woody Allen there’s a newspaper scene at the beginning of the film.
Anyways, apparently they’re dead. Now to move to more important issues in society.
While fucked up, it’s disinguinuous suggest that the news is blowing up only due to the fact that they’re billionaires. While large boat disasters are fairly uncommon, how often do you hear of a submarine disaster. Especially one where the inhabitants are missing but potentially on a timer - trapped in a submarine with no way to open from the inside, many peoples ultimate fear. The story writes itself, pile on what seems to be a neglectful company and you’ve got a story people are going to be invested in. I don’t think the coverage or the search and rescue would be any different if it were a scientific submarine with scientists.
The Thai cave boys are another good example. They were rural third-worlders, but it still became a sensation. It just has to be bloody and dramatic to attract attention. A story like “people on boat drown again” is too mundane, it becomes a statistic instead of a tragedy.
What’s really irksome is that these rich guys that pay people to put them weird but often already-explored places get called “explorers”.
Rich people think spending money is what makes them special.
My favorite lately is the rise of the ‘world traveler’ who treats travel as a moral imperative that elevates them above those who can’t or don’t have the means to spend 5-6 figures per year on international vacations.
International travel certainly does broaden a person’s perspective. It’s great if your can do it, but anyone acting superior because they can travel is just an asshole.
I enjoy traveling but it does bring a bit of guilt that I have the ability to do it when so many people never will. Hoping there’s some advancing in vr/ar to provide better cultural sharing and better immigration reception to provide the physical interactions.
I have to wonder if these people are really getting the straight dope anyway, or going to all the tourist spots and being shown what they want to see. They’re definitely not hanging out in a refugee camp if they’re spending that much.
These days, it’s much cheaper to just have international friends online.
This is effectively saying, “This article is correct but for the wrong reasons”. People aren’t angry about why hundreds of migrants dying isn’t newsworthy. They’re angry that it’s not newsworthy.
I’m frankly surprised that not enough people find it disgusting that the EU passively killing hundreds of refugees is less interesting because the EU does so regularly.
People like novelty. That’s not too surprising. Additionally, a growing share of people in the EU don’t want migrants to come. Empathy is declining.
And that’s exactly what were speaking against.
Because immigrants die in stupid ways all the time. A shit in your toilet is not newsworthy. A shit on your kitchen table is.
The way you just compared migrants to shit in your toilet rubs me the wrong way.
Username checks out I guess.
I agree. Rubbed me so wrong that a genie just shot out of a bottle next to me.
It would absolutely be different if it were scientists. The memes about billionaires and the sub are all over the place. Bezos should go on a sub and explore the titanic too and all that shit.
The problem is lack of coverage for the migrants, who are seen as “less valuable people”
I would argue that they are more valuable then people who have it made but ya
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im not sure how this relates to 500 people seeking refuge relates to automobile accidents
The migrant boat sank in the Mediterranean off the coast of Greece. While a tragedy, it’s largely irrelevant to the US news. It’s not like it was a migrant boat from South America going to the US. Those do happen and they become huge news here.
The Titan submersible happened off the coast of Canada and the US and Canadian coast guards were involved. The company running the excursions is American. That’s a lot more relevant to US news.
Looking at European news, the BBC has been covering the migrant boat disaster. It’s been reported in US news too. ABC started covering it over a week ago when it first happened.
It’s also just common, which makes it less newsworthy. Another boat sank in the Mediterranean off the coast of Italy in February. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64776621
When things become common, they’re no longer as newsworthy.
Yeah, having a shittily built submarine for a billionaire to visit the most famous shipwreck in the world while then joining those who died there 100 years ago, is a pretty unique story that we’ll now always remember whenever we talk about the titanic.
There’s a real irony in naming your submarine after a shipwreck, neglecting all safety devices like the shipwreck, and talking about how the hull was indestructible.
I mean, the billionaire class believes they can do nothing wrong, so…
That’s true of everyone
The ticking timer is news gold, it creates a real sense of tension…
There’s a lot of complaining about, “why is news covering these billionaires, there’s nothing tragic about their circumstance” versus “you’d have to be heartless not to sympathize with such a horrifying fate”
But the real villain here is our morbid curiosity. It has nothing to do with sympathy nor classism. Dozens drowning by relatively conventional means? Eh people die every day, whatever. A family dying in a particularly bizarre and agonizing manner? Oooh let’s think about and discuss in detail what their final moments may be like! We can dress it up in hate or dress it up in kindness, but the real reason anybody is interested is that it’s just a weird way to die.
The world is a stage and we love a good horror story.
you’re right - if those on the sub do happen to have met their end, at least it was done in pursuit of their dream?
Yeah.
The awful truth is that migrants drowning on the sea crossing to Europe or to the UK is mundane. It happens regularly, so it’s not news. A sub drowning near the Titanic is newsworthy.
News = man bites dog. Dog bites man = not news.
Also it’s unfair to compare it to the migrant story. Most Americans and Europeans are very hateful towards people from MENA so they are either indifferent or supportive of such “accidents”. Obviously they are going to care more about some rich idiots literally crushed by their own hubris.
That’s entirely the point. That shouldn’t be the case.
While I don’t necessarily disagree with you. It would be interesting to know what would happen if each one of those 50 immigrants paid $250,000 to be on that boat. I don’t think money had nothing to do with it.
I think the issue is the resources dedicated to each disaster. I don’t know if all the immigrants died though, so there may not have been a point in rescuing them at all.
There have been plenty of resources dedicated to rescuing the migrants. Over 100 have been rescued.
A big issue in the news coverage is that the migrant boat sank in the Ionian Sea in the Mediterranean. The Titan submersible was off the coast of Canada. So the news coverage in America largely focused on the thing happening near America. Same with the search and rescue. The US and Canadian coast guards were deployed for the search.
The Greek coast guard ran the search and rescue for the migrant boat since it happened off the coast of Greece.
I think this is a rather disingenuous read of the situation. The drama of the situation should not overshadow the gravity of the difference between the number of human beings in question, it’s disturbing that anyone would find this even remotely acceptable because it’s more dramatic. And that’s not to mention the discrepancy in response and spending on each issue. It’s a true indictment of our societies.
There are people dying all the time, so the ones that are “news worthy” (i.e. attention grabbing) are the unique ones with stories that set them apart, and often it’s more relatable when it effects fewer people so it’s less abstract. I don’t think it’s an indictment of our societies, it just plays off of how our brains work.
I’m pretty sure those immigrants have more interesting stories to tell than a billionaire. Just saying.
Living your entire life in a warzone or in inhospitable environments that force you to leave your family behind and getting drowned while the general society ignores the underlying problem seems more worthy of questioning than a billionaire trying to go sightseeing thinking their money shields them from nature. I’d post a clip of a movie that fits here perfectly, but the clip is not on youtube, for anyone interested, look up ‘whatever works’ with Woody Allen there’s a newspaper scene at the beginning of the film.
Anyways, apparently they’re dead. Now to move to more important issues in society.
agree 🙏
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