• 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    7 months ago

    You are right, but many Americans probably wouldn’t get it if you used Stalin. For better or worse, Hitler is the face of fascism; Stalin the face of communism. They were both fascists, as were Mussolini, and Stalin.

    It’s just short-hand imagery; everybody knows what you mean. Pinochet was a fascist dictator, but he was also a brutal sociopath, so he’s confusing, even if people recognized him.

    • Dreizehn@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      7 months ago

      Please add Spain’s dictator, Francisco Franco. That bastard allowed Mussolini and Hitler to test their military during Spanish Civil War.

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        I could never make a comprehensive list; fascism has been all-too common.

        Well, I probably could make a comprehensive list, but I’m not. But Franco was another prominent one, so that was a good catch.

    • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      7 months ago

      Stalin was a totalitarian not a fascist. You can have authoritarian regimes without fascism. Stalin actively fought fascists, was the main reason we won D-Day. He was also a brutal vicious cruel man who ruled his inner circle through fear and paranoia.

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        7 months ago

        fascism

        1. A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
        2. Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, intolerant, racist or nationalistic views or behavior

        How do neither of these apply to Stalin? Note the “or” in the second definition. The “Nazi” party was the “National Socialist” party. You have to look at the actions, not just the labels, right? Stalin was authoritarian, intolerant, and nationalistic. He created an authoritarian hierarchical government.

        Stalin fits both definitions of Fascism. It doesn’t matter that he was at war with other fascists; monarchies had for millennia fought other monarchies - it didn’t make them not-monarchies.

        • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Because Stalin was a Soviet Dictator. Fascism had a direct capitalist economic component that you’re completely ignoring.

          This might be of interest for your further research

          https://www.britannica.com/topic/totalitarianism

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

          And also

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

          belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

          • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            7 months ago

            I’m only ignoring it because what you’re saying isn’t in the dictionary definition of “fascism,” and I’m not a political theorist. I’m just going by what the good book says.

            belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

            What about Stalin makes you think he demonstrated any of this?

            • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              7 months ago

              “belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” Is a direct quote from the link on Fascism,

              I don’t believe Stalin demonstrated any of that through policy.