President Joe Biden has asserted executive privilege over the recordingsĀ of his interview with special counsel Robert Hur, according toĀ lettersĀ from theĀ White House andĀ Justice Department to House Republicans.
Republicans are going to say stupid shit anywaysā¦
Theyāre already saying it.
The only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyād be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.
Candidate:
This would exonate me!
Everyone else:
Can we see/hear it?
Candidate:
Objection! If people saw/heard this, it would make me look bad!
This is a bad thing regardless of the letter next to a candidates name.
Edit:
Ignore the overall findings
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Thatās what youāre doingā¦
The overall findings was Biden knowingly committed crimes.
find one sentence in it that spins it n
Thatās what youāre doing.
You latched on ācharges not recommendedā and are ignoring the rest of the sentence that says the only reason is because due to Bidenās age and confusion, itās unlikely heād be found guilty as people would be sympathetic.
Youāre not even focusing on a single sentenceā¦
āThe only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyād be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.ā
But they already released the transcripts. They are just refusing to release the audio. There isnāt new information to be gained. Just an opportunity for Republicans to splice and dice the audio for partisan purposes.
I donāt think Biden having dementia and spewing nonsense is news to anyone. Yes it hurts him and will draw more attention in audio than in text, which is one of the reasons they arenāt releasing it.
āBut be better than republicans. Hold your āteamā to higher standards than just the letter by someoneās name.ā
No. Fuck that. We tried that and ended up with a conservative majority on SCOTUS. Donāt do anything to give Republicans or Trump an advantage. Iām just as disappointed as anyone that Biden is the best candidate the Dems can produce, and that his campaign slogan is effectively ābetter than Trumpā. But I donāt agree with making it easier for Republicans to hurt your campaign just for the sake of taking the moral high ground. Save that conversation for when your opponent isnāt a literal fascist. Make the Republicans work for it. If the transcript doesnāt titillate your Fox News braindead audience then too bad.
. Fuck that. We tried that and ended up with a conservative majority on SCOTUS
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Refusing to fight for Obamaās SC pick so that it could be used to get people to vote for a candidate disliked by most people from either party is not āhaving standardsā.
Itās wild to hear someone even suggest thatās what happenedā¦
Refusing to fight for Obamaās SC pick so that it could be used to get people to vote for a candidate disliked by most people from either party is not āhaving standardsā.
If this is what you think happened in 2016 after Senate Republicans openly admit that they blocked Obamaās SC pick, then I hope nobody is listening to you because youāve lost all credibility. They even said that they would do the same thing to a Republican president, but then they moved faster than Iāve ever seen Congress move to install a new Justice just a few weeks before the 2020 election. Thereās video of Lindsey Graham telling people to use his words against him if they behaved differently with roles reversed, and he behaved differently, and then that interview video went viral right before the election. Thereās no excuse for not knowing what happened, so I have to assume that youāre just arguing in bad faith, trying to sow division.
Itās written that the Senate may vote to confirm, not that they have to.
If republicans refused to hold the vote because they didnāt have the votes to stop it, Obama should have just sat his pick (not the bullshit ācompromiseā) to the SC.
Republicans would have challenged it, and it would have went to the SC.
Would it have been guaranteed to work? No, it wouldnāt.
But it would have been better than a year out from the election just fucking giving up.
Can you explain any downside to trying anything more than accepting it?
Source:
Scores of scholars ā law professors, historians and political scientists ā urged the Senate to at least have a process for Garland as a duly appointed nominee with impeccable qualifications. But some lawyers and academics pointed out that the Constitution empowered the Senate to āadvise and consentā but did not require it do so. (Some adding that they thought the Senate still ought to do so.)
Rather than do it and fight the battle that they were able to do it, we ran out the clock talking about if we could.
Thatās the main difference between the parties.
Republicans do shit then we try to undo what they managed to get thru.
Dems have the fight before doing anything, and keep running out of time.
The entire premise of moderate politics doesnāt work anymore. We spend all our time trying to undo what republicans do, but they do so much bullshit thereās not enough time for everything, let alone anythingās ng we want to do.
How do people not see that if youāve been paying attention to politics since at least 2016?
But the transcripts show that the ādue to age and confusionā was a mischaracterization by Hur. Itās like when Barr declared the Mueller report exonerated trump.
There are a lot of podcasts that break it down if youāre not interested in looking at the transcripts yourself.
If the I tervirw makes him look good like you claim, whatās wrong with releasing it so people can hear the good bits?
Because anybody with even a basic awareness of how Republicans operate knows that people wonāt hear the good bits. The statements will be chopped up and released as distorted propaganda pieces.
They already have the transcript. There is nothing to be gained by giving them the audio. All it would do is allow them to further rile up their bases with disinformation.
Because anybody with even a basic awareness of how Republicans operate knows that people wonāt hear the good bits.
Who cares?
We arenāt going to flip Republican voters, heās not gaining any he doesnāt already have.
Elections are won and lost on dem turnout, and if the audio makes Biden seem capable, that makes the āold and confusedā reason for not charging him bullshit.
And that might be enough for them to also write off the reasoning for not charging him, and maybe even the fact that the report found him guilty
They call Biden a fucking communist, no matter what happens, republicans will always tell their voters itās the worst thing ever.
So who cares what theyāre going to say?
If this gets more voters to the polls, itās a win for Biden.
If we donāt care what republicans think then why do we care about meeting their demands to release the tape?
If elections are won and lost on dem turnout then why give republicans the opportunity to create misleading sound clips? Do you think more dems are likely to listen to the entire tape or just a few moments stitched together played on the radio?
Itās been explained over and over. Nobody will listen to 5 hours of recorded tapes. They will hear out of context snippets stitched together out of chronological order.
Republicans are going to say stupid shit anywaysā¦
Theyāre already saying it.
The only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyād be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.
Candidate:
Everyone else:
Candidate:
This is a bad thing regardless of the letter next to a candidates name.
Edit:
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Thatās what youāre doingā¦
The overall findings was Biden knowingly committed crimes.
Thatās what youāre doing.
You latched on ācharges not recommendedā and are ignoring the rest of the sentence that says the only reason is because due to Bidenās age and confusion, itās unlikely heād be found guilty as people would be sympathetic.
Youāre not even focusing on a single sentenceā¦
āThe only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyād be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.ā
But they already released the transcripts. They are just refusing to release the audio. There isnāt new information to be gained. Just an opportunity for Republicans to splice and dice the audio for partisan purposes.
It is, and itās a god damn world saladā¦
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/full-text-robert-hur-biden-classified-documents-interview-pdf-rcna142956
At one point he talks about how NASA can cure cancer with protonsā¦
Americans donāt like to read, Iām not sure how an American hasnāt noticed that.
But all the shit we (rightfully) give trump shit about with his speaking ability and making up random shit is stuff Biden does too.
A clip of him talking about how NASA has a cure for cancer is going to hurt him.
And it does make sense he wouldnāt want that released.
But be better than republicans. Hold your āteamā to higher standards than just the letter by someoneās name.
I donāt think Biden having dementia and spewing nonsense is news to anyone. Yes it hurts him and will draw more attention in audio than in text, which is one of the reasons they arenāt releasing it.
āBut be better than republicans. Hold your āteamā to higher standards than just the letter by someoneās name.ā
No. Fuck that. We tried that and ended up with a conservative majority on SCOTUS. Donāt do anything to give Republicans or Trump an advantage. Iām just as disappointed as anyone that Biden is the best candidate the Dems can produce, and that his campaign slogan is effectively ābetter than Trumpā. But I donāt agree with making it easier for Republicans to hurt your campaign just for the sake of taking the moral high ground. Save that conversation for when your opponent isnāt a literal fascist. Make the Republicans work for it. If the transcript doesnāt titillate your Fox News braindead audience then too bad.
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Refusing to fight for Obamaās SC pick so that it could be used to get people to vote for a candidate disliked by most people from either party is not āhaving standardsā.
Itās wild to hear someone even suggest thatās what happenedā¦
If this is what you think happened in 2016 after Senate Republicans openly admit that they blocked Obamaās SC pick, then I hope nobody is listening to you because youāve lost all credibility. They even said that they would do the same thing to a Republican president, but then they moved faster than Iāve ever seen Congress move to install a new Justice just a few weeks before the 2020 election. Thereās video of Lindsey Graham telling people to use his words against him if they behaved differently with roles reversed, and he behaved differently, and then that interview video went viral right before the election. Thereās no excuse for not knowing what happened, so I have to assume that youāre just arguing in bad faith, trying to sow division.
Between the insults, you said I donāt know what happened, then said what happened was the same thing I said?
Is it just because I pointed out Dems didnāt fight or try anything to get Obama his pick?
Or that the reason they didnāt was in an attempt to motivate voters to turn out for someone they donāt like?
I just donāt see anywhere else we disagree, but if you keep the insults up Iām probably just going to block you and be done with this.
If you want a political group ok with juvenile insults, republicans are on the other side of the aisle.
Senate majority leader McConnell refused to even bring it to a vote. And laughed about it. How do you propose that they shouldāve fought that?
Itās written that the Senate may vote to confirm, not that they have to.
If republicans refused to hold the vote because they didnāt have the votes to stop it, Obama should have just sat his pick (not the bullshit ācompromiseā) to the SC.
Republicans would have challenged it, and it would have went to the SC.
Would it have been guaranteed to work? No, it wouldnāt.
But it would have been better than a year out from the election just fucking giving up.
Can you explain any downside to trying anything more than accepting it?
Source:
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now
Rather than do it and fight the battle that they were able to do it, we ran out the clock talking about if we could.
Thatās the main difference between the parties.
Republicans do shit then we try to undo what they managed to get thru.
Dems have the fight before doing anything, and keep running out of time.
The entire premise of moderate politics doesnāt work anymore. We spend all our time trying to undo what republicans do, but they do so much bullshit thereās not enough time for everything, let alone anythingās ng we want to do.
How do people not see that if youāve been paying attention to politics since at least 2016?
Itās incredibly obvious whatās happeningā¦
But the transcripts show that the ādue to age and confusionā was a mischaracterization by Hur. Itās like when Barr declared the Mueller report exonerated trump.
There are a lot of podcasts that break it down if youāre not interested in looking at the transcripts yourself.
Literally just posted it and Iāve read itā¦
Most people arenāt politically active to be on a sub about it, theyāre not going to read it.
Like, I run into this all the time, Biden supporters just donāt seem to understand how disengaged people are with Biden as president.
If the I tervirw makes him look good like you claim, whatās wrong with releasing it so people can hear the good bits?
Why care if Republicans are going to talk shit if theyāre already talking shit and wonāt stop for any reason?
The optics of Biden hiding it are worse
If people are disengaged, there are no optics to hiding it because the only people who will even know already have their minds made up.
Releasing it just gives Fox and their ilk material to chop and edit to make Biden look bad.
Thereās no upside to releasing it when the transcript is already out there.
Because anybody with even a basic awareness of how Republicans operate knows that people wonāt hear the good bits. The statements will be chopped up and released as distorted propaganda pieces.
They already have the transcript. There is nothing to be gained by giving them the audio. All it would do is allow them to further rile up their bases with disinformation.
Who cares?
We arenāt going to flip Republican voters, heās not gaining any he doesnāt already have.
Elections are won and lost on dem turnout, and if the audio makes Biden seem capable, that makes the āold and confusedā reason for not charging him bullshit.
And that might be enough for them to also write off the reasoning for not charging him, and maybe even the fact that the report found him guilty
They call Biden a fucking communist, no matter what happens, republicans will always tell their voters itās the worst thing ever.
So who cares what theyāre going to say?
If this gets more voters to the polls, itās a win for Biden.
If we donāt care what republicans think then why do we care about meeting their demands to release the tape?
If elections are won and lost on dem turnout then why give republicans the opportunity to create misleading sound clips? Do you think more dems are likely to listen to the entire tape or just a few moments stitched together played on the radio?
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Because if it shows a capable well thought Biden it might convince voters who arenāt voting for him because heās 82 years oldā¦
How do people not understand?
Itās been explained over and over. Nobody will listen to 5 hours of recorded tapes. They will hear out of context snippets stitched together out of chronological order.
How do you not get this?
Because out of 5 hours of tapes, Iād expect some good thingsā¦
But hey, Iām an optimist, maybe everyone else is right and Biden just sounds like a senile old fool for 5 hours straightā¦
I just canāt rationalize how thatās true and itās bullshit the reason he wasnāt charged was heās old and confused.
Gotta be one or the other.