That’s not the point: voting is unrelated to the work of uprooting fascism.
I mean that’s partially true, but If the praxis for destroying American fascism is going to be so much harder under the rule of the fascist rather than the rule of the liberal, then shouldn’t making sure the liberal stays be a prerequisite to the other praxis?
If you spend all your energy getting Biden elected, you are still no closer to solving the problem.
I certainly don’t think it’s the only thing leftists should be focusing on. We need more organization around lots of things other than electoral politics (Union’s, Economic Rights, Building Up Socialist Orgs, etc), but I don’t see us making real gains federally with any of these other spheres of organizing with Trump in power.
shouldn’t making sure the liberal stays be a prerequisite to the other praxis?
Certainly not a prerequisite, no. The work that needs doing is no different in either case, and is met with hostility (of different scales, sure) under either presidency. Both will protect the institutions we seek to dismantle with force; one will simply be more open about it than the other.
For a leftist, neither candidate changes that reality. It will simply be more comfortable under one than the other.
For a leftist, neither candidate changes that reality. It will simply be more comfortable under one than the other.
I mean, I’m perfectly aware Biden isn’t going to institute an American Meidner plan or start nationalizing key infrastructure and industries tomorrow and would probably vehemently oppose anyone trying to do so.
But if all I have to do is show up one day this year, and try and get my friends to do the same, just to not be possibly persecuted for any LGBT or socialist affiliations, that feels like not that big of a hassle for the gain of atleast keeping the status quo.
Every other volunteering and organizing day of the year is still going to be towards something not directly related to electoral politics.
The problem is that, as I see it, we are at a point where we can’tjust show up one day. I would rather light a fire under your ass to help address the existential problems than nod my head solemnly in agreement that the best we can do is not have a Trump presidency.
And it isn’t just that Biden won’t be involved with a socialist agenda, it’s that he’s all too happy to let the pigs spray down protestors working to push for change and accuse them of being paid actors. Right now, he’s in a spot where he has to listen to his base, so now is absolutely not the time to absolve him of all his inadequacies.
I mean that’s partially true, but If the praxis for destroying American fascism is going to be so much harder under the rule of the fascist rather than the rule of the liberal, then shouldn’t making sure the liberal stays be a prerequisite to the other praxis?
I certainly don’t think it’s the only thing leftists should be focusing on. We need more organization around lots of things other than electoral politics (Union’s, Economic Rights, Building Up Socialist Orgs, etc), but I don’t see us making real gains federally with any of these other spheres of organizing with Trump in power.
Certainly not a prerequisite, no. The work that needs doing is no different in either case, and is met with hostility (of different scales, sure) under either presidency. Both will protect the institutions we seek to dismantle with force; one will simply be more open about it than the other.
For a leftist, neither candidate changes that reality. It will simply be more comfortable under one than the other.
I mean, I’m perfectly aware Biden isn’t going to institute an American Meidner plan or start nationalizing key infrastructure and industries tomorrow and would probably vehemently oppose anyone trying to do so.
But if all I have to do is show up one day this year, and try and get my friends to do the same, just to not be possibly persecuted for any LGBT or socialist affiliations, that feels like not that big of a hassle for the gain of atleast keeping the status quo.
Every other volunteering and organizing day of the year is still going to be towards something not directly related to electoral politics.
The problem is that, as I see it, we are at a point where we can’t just show up one day. I would rather light a fire under your ass to help address the existential problems than nod my head solemnly in agreement that the best we can do is not have a Trump presidency.
And it isn’t just that Biden won’t be involved with a socialist agenda, it’s that he’s all too happy to let the pigs spray down protestors working to push for change and accuse them of being paid actors. Right now, he’s in a spot where he has to listen to his base, so now is absolutely not the time to absolve him of all his inadequacies.