(No, just keep on. These kinds of regulations were long overdue)

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    EU has its many flaws but they pretty much doing their job in regards of consumer rights, human rights and protection of personal data.

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          If Article 17 (Upload filters) didn’t make it through I cannot see chat control making it (even tho I think we shouldn’t even let it get so far)

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            The worst part about chat control is that they proposed it without having a single clue as to how this would be set up, let alone managed and controlled.

            Them not being able to give clear answers to absolutley valid and fair questions just breaks more trust in their competence.

            Anyway, next I’d like them to ban anything that can be considered factory new e-waste, like cheap usb fans that break after a month, or keychain speakers that don’t even sound good. There’s so many things in production that just don’t have any business existing.

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              Yeah, it was the same way with upload filters… Me and the boys were protesting, experts were saying it wouldn’t work yet the EU politicians kept being stubborn…

              Yeah, I think they should ESPECIALLY ban these non refillable vape sticks… I mean, the batteries are practically unused yet it’s more or less useless after being emptied. And there’s always the refillable option. (No vapes would be best, get off that sh***)

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      Human rights? Lol I wish, frontex is just waiting to start shooting migrants at the borders

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        Unpopular opinion: most migrants come to Europe from safe countries. We should absolutely 100% allow people who flee from war zones to take refuge in Europe. But most migrants who currently cross the border illegally are coming from places like Turkey or Morocco. Is there a war tearing these countries apart that I do not know about? I agree, asylum is a human right, but it’s just that: a right. It’s not an obligation. People abuse that right and then complain they’re not handed stuff on a silver plate.

        If Europe went to war right now, like in the good old days, I’d flee to safety as well. No doubt about that. But I’d be happy to take refuge in the nearest safe country, not try to get into Canada illegally, just because I heard it’s a nice place to live.

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          That’s not an unpopular opinion, that’s just a sheltered opinion. A few things you need to get out of your head:

          1. That so called ‘safe countries’ are safe for everyone. This doesn’t say anything about those countries, it only says how little you know about them.
          2. People seek asylum trivially and are choosy beggars for going to X country (doesn’t matter where, this kind of sentiment is always the same)
          3. Europe going to war was ‘the good old days’.
          4. That Europe isn’t at war right now
          5. The act of being born in a ‘safe country’ makes you more deserving of it than other human beings
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          Most people come from Turkey or Morocco? They might come from there but most of the asylum seekers nationality is not Turkish or Moroccan. Most asylum seekers are from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq or poorer African nations. This changed year by year of course but that’s generally true. Also of course EU states have an obligation to respect human rights, it’s literally law in the European convention of human rights. A right implies an obligation by somebody else to honor that right. What does it matter if your home country is at war or not? If you can’t feed your family due to economic problems or climate change or whatever, it’s more than fair enough to get out of there.

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        Question, do these bodies have teeth? And if so would these teeth exist without the EU?

        My understanding of the EU is that the only thing they can really do to coerce uncooperative members is threaten to revoke membership.

        So, if these bodies are not EU, and it wants to impose a sanction against a member nation, by what mechanism can it enforce that?

        Just wondering.

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        You are right. My intention was to refer the whole of Europe as EU (which I know its incorrect) rather than go into specifics but regardless thanks for the clarification.

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      THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER

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        I’m with you. I still use my 3.5mm jack daily. I’ve got some cheap PC stereo speakers next to my bed, so I can listen to stuff to fall asleep to. They suck for music, but are just fine for audiobooks for instance.

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          I gotta say, I love my AirBuds sooooo much. I only use my nice cans on my computer anymore.

          That’s a different use case though. Falling asleep with cheap speakers is a much better idea than big speakers… My partner and I leave shows or long VODs on to sleep, and even with the bass all the way down, sometimes I feel like it’s a bit distracting.

          You’re onto something—I should snag us a pair of 2.0 speakers and just switch to those for sleep. Then we wouldn’t have to adjust the sub all the time.

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          I’d be fine with the lack of the port if they at least gave us 2 USB-C ports so I could charge and listen without a splitter.

          I’m surprised their isn’t a phone case with a built in DAC and 3.5 tbh.

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          I wish I had a 3.5mm jack :( wired is better quality at the end of the day.

          My phone came with a USB-3.5mm adapter but I never end up using it.

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          When you land in your 30’s the warm feeling that makes you crave for a better world becomes a seething anger towards those who make this world harder to realize.
          And you either take it out on strangers on the internet or become Ted Kaczynski

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            Based. Also your writing style is great. Reminds me of those old “THIS IS A MOTHER FUCKING WASP” memes

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              Ahah thanks, but I am not based.
              I’m just sour and acid, pH3 as in my name

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        It takes 5 minutes at most to get another hour of playback from my headset. You do not need a headphone jack in this day an age, and I say this as an avid music listener. Also ANC won’t work if your battery is dead most of the time, so having a wired option is not that useful for your flight

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          IT TAKES 0 SECONDS TO HAVE ∞ HOURS OF PLAYBACK FOR MY HEADSET.
          Talking seriously, I really hate that everything in this day and age has to come with a battery: it’s a useless waste of resources.
          When you buy a good set of cabled earphones it will be good for life (I used my AudioTechnica M50 for more than 10 years and only had to change the cable once), wireless you’ll have to throw them away when the batteries will eventually die (in 3 years on average).
          E-waste is a serious issue, if you want to go green, go cable <3

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            Okay so I go running quite often, no phone on me, just my watch (which is on my wrist) and my AirPods.

            How does your setup work in my regard? Because I genuinely don’t see a way to go cabled for it without changing how I do things, and having a cable running to my watch is just stupid.

            (I do use wired headphones whenever I’m at home because we all know it’s better at a fundamental level) but let’s be honest AirPods have their place.

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              Dude…

              1. Never said that bluetooth buds/earphones should be dismantled, please abandon this “if you have an argument for your thing it means you’re against my thing” mindset, it makes you sound dumb and you are not;
              2. Back in the 90’s joggers would run with huge-ass cassette walkmans powered by 4x AA batteries strapped on their shorts and hardly anyone popped an hernia or got strangled by the earphones: while we had great achievements in terms of electronics wearability, don’t let comfort be your cage.
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                Yeah I realize my comment came off as argumentative and isn’t really how I meant it, I more so meant I can’t see a way for me to use a wired set without changing how comfortable my run currently is. (Again, I do PREFER wired for home use etc, but on the go I just can’t use anything but my AirPods for comfort). I think it’s also an ease of use thing for me too, as I LOVE that I can go for that run, come home, take a shower WITH THEM, to rinse off, then sit down with my steam deck and they are already connected without me doing a thing. I think I’m just spoiled by the ease of use the more I type about this honestly.

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                  If you find yourself having a good run with them, have at it, don’t let anyone yuck your yum.
                  I just want to be given the possibility of making the choice I think it’s best for my use cases

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              I don’t think anyone’s claiming that wireless headphones do not have their place, instead that there’s no reason not to have the option to use wired headphones on a phone because they’re much more reliable and durable than wireless.

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          Nobody is implying that Bluetooth headphones are inherently bad, but just that the additional choice offered by a wired headphone option would be very useful.

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      The number of times and situation I’ve wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones. The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs

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          You mean parralel port right? I need to be able to drive 8 LEDs without any additional drivers.

          I mean we can have both serial and parallel interfaces. Also two ps/2 ports because I want to be able to plug both a mouse and a keyboard.

          And a dedicated true ADC game port. This shit was lit.

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    Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.

    He didn’t create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative “medicine” at least, Steve.

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      He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.

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      He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.

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      You sound like if Steve Jobs fucked your mom and never called her back X’D

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        If I slap you there’s a non-zero chance Steve Job’s cock falls out of your mouth.

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          I’m actually not an admirer of mr. Jobs either, should have clarified that.
          I just found amusing such amount of anger, like something personal is involved

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            No, I just don’t like when the do nothing capitalists, living or dead, take credit for the work and technical achievements of people that actually provide something of worth to humanity. People should think of rooms of engineers toiling and exhausted factory workers when they think about how their iphone was made, not Donald Trump in a turtleneck and jeans blustering about the magic phone he made.

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    I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.

    It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.

    Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.

    On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.

    I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.

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      It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.

      I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.

      Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.

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        laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro

        While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.

        Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)

        12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.

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          I had a 4670k in mine, alongside a 970. It did most of the things I wanted well enough on medium-high, so I was mostly content. For a while I contemplated getting a newer CPU and slotting that in to squeeze some more time out of it, but after realising that Intel only supports their sockets for like a fortnight or so, I swapped to AMD for the new build.

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            What’s in your new build? I bet it blew your mind when you played anything you were used to!

            I love both AMD and Intel, but the CPU socket being only for one generation is a full non-issue. If I’m going to upgrade my CPU, I’m going to upgrade my everything. I’ve legitimately never had the urge to only replace my CPU hahaha

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              I hate changing tech so I really just wanted to pop the CPU out and plonk in a stronger one. I figured it’d be a cheaper job than just building a completely new system, which to be fair it is.

              My new computer is running on a Ryzen 9 7900X3D, alongside an Intel Arc A770 LE. The last-gen graphics cards cost way too much where I live, and the current gen I don’t really want to touch with their crazy power consumption and proclivity for spontaneous combustion, coupled with their ridiculous prices. Figured I’d give Intel a go, and I’m actually really satisfied with it!

              My biggest “wow” moment was honestly opening up a project in Synthesizer V and seeing it all render instantaneously, whereas before I’d need to wait for some 10-15 seconds for it to build a buffer for a small part of the song. Doesn’t even matter how many tracks I have, it’s so speedy!

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                That’s a FANTASTIC machine!

                The big problem with popping a new CPU in is how slow all the other stuff on your mobo is. Your old mobo maybe has one m.2 port? Might even be SATA m.2? We never used it on the 4670k machine. Also RAM speeds, if you could pop a 13900k in there, it’d be right crippled by DDR3. Always new mobo with new CPU for me. Also because I upgrade my CPU every 7-9 years, and stuff changes insanely. My partner’s mobo has FOUR GOSH DANG m.2 SLOTS. FOUR! We almost went SATA-less but had an unopened 4TB HDD so we popped that in there.

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                  No m.2. I was overall okay with the speed, it just wasn’t completely keeping up. The way I see it, if I could’ve plopped out the CPU and swapped for something a few years newer, like 2017 or so, I’d probably have been much less inclined to build a new computer altogether.

                  I don’t like switching tech much. It’s such a hassle. I kept my OnePlus One around until 2020, at which point I replaced it with a second-hand iPhone XS because Apple supports their phones forever by phone standards. I work as a software dev, so I already spend 8 hours of my day mucking about with tech, it’s not something I’m overly keen on doing in my off hours.

                  Thus far I’m really enjoying m.2, it’s a lot smoother than running cables and stuff for a SATA drive. I have a few SATA ports I believe but I still have a m.2 slot open, so we’ll see! I think I’m more keen on getting a NAS for storage at this point.

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          You can go to Catalina through the dosdude patcher if you (or some enterprising shop) disables the amd gpu with demux.

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            …fuck, really?

            I will ABSOLUTELY look into this. I love my lil lappy. In High Sierra, system preferences recognizes my GPU as Intel HD anyway, so maybe my GPU is already unsupported. It did me well back when I got it, though—I needed a mobile Team Fortress 2 machine and it ran like a champ!

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        I don’t think you’re making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.

        What you’re really comparing Apple’s support to is your own, because you’re the one building and maintaining that PC’s hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.

        The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don’t think it’s as imbalanced as you’re suggesting.

        Disclosure: I don’t own any apple products

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          Intel mac’s bought a couple years ago soon won’t be able to upgrade to the latest MacOS version, this same thing happened when they switched from PPC to Intel. On the other hand you can install Windows 10 on a pentium 2 and hell, of you could figure out a way to get tpm 2 to work you might be able to get 11 going. Some Linux distros with modern kernels only recently dropped support for PPC. Point being Apple ended support intentionally as they just don’t give a shit about their customers, their only interest is in money.

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            You’re talking about an entire architecture change, though. If you’re going to compare like-for-like, try installing Windows 11 on an ARMv7 machine, never mind that Microsoft frequently drops support for older processors anyway.

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              Yes, I have installed Windows 10 and 11 on ARM v7. Infact Windows CE was running on arm processors for a good long time with continued support. Windows hasn’t dropped support for any processors at all to my knowledge. Windows 11 required TPM2 but that’s not a processor. Your motherboard is the determining factor there, you can actually buy a TPM module for pretty dang cheap. Considering most PC manufacturers have had TPM on their systems used for a while it’s not a large factor. Those most impacted were people who did custom built systems and bought cheap motherboards. I actually mentioned this is my original comment but… Here we are I guess.

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          Even Desktop CPUs stop getting security updates. Intel 7th gen is on the chopping block soon.

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    User expandable/replaceable storage, please.

    There’s no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.

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      Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.

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        OtherOS is never coming back, it gives too much freedom to probe at the hardware and find security exploits.

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          Sony also didn’t like it that companies bought PS3s in bulk and used them as cheap compute power. They sell the consoles at a loss but make that up on game sales and licensing. Someone buying them and not gaming is cutting into their profit.

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            No. Sony didn’t like otherOS because geohot used it in his first exploit. That is all Not a coincidence that they removed it shortly after geos findings ;)

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        That’s the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft

        Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online

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        They officially supported that aswell, then they quietly stopped the way Kia left the furry community

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      I’m still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.

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      With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.

      Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.

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        Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.

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          Nice, noted! Then that’s not an issue. My only issue then would be the speed of the storage. Not a big issue on my iPad as I don’t use it for much, but running stuff and even going through pictures on my phone would be a nightmare (…which is my fault for having 15k pictures on it and not clearing it out i. Years…)

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            If you have problems with going through pictures, it’s not the storage speed problem, that’s for sure. Even the slowest sd card is fast enough to load a picture in human speeds

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        I can’t find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It’s somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.

        It’s all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there’s anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.

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    Please tell me that there’s a Lemmy community out there for EU memes.

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    At least the EU protects consumers’ rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.

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        They are doing it to help consumers and protect the environment by forcing modularity and recyclable components.

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            Don’t be salty because we’ve got a working democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s not all about the money here. Being a politician on that level already pays quite nicely without being bought by a company or two. And voters have a lot of power over who gets into the EU parliament, so a lot of them really do represent the common folks.

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      Let’s hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed “Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition”.

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      For a second I was thinking about chromebooks because you can’t install native packages and only install apps from Play Store. Till I remember that you can enable app-dev mode to install any .apk (sideload). But does it count? I need to enable dev-app mode which can’t be reverted. Additionally it annoys you on the lock screen with a red text that this chromebook has unverified packages. You can always enable it without any further downsides.

      But at least you can install natively Linux on any Chromebook like a normal x86 Laptop or ARM64 Device.

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            For all the iphones getting updated in 2024 although they mentioned with iOS 17. In EU. Dunno if Apple will extend the thing outside Europe.

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    Something that I haven’t seen mentioned on this topic:

    having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.

    This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.

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      We’re not necessarily talking about “pop the back open and slam a new one in” batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.

      That’s the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.

      According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”

      https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries

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        Thank you for clarification and context.

        I’m daydreaming about potential feature and sell point some manufacturers may adapt to bring this regulation further into a win-win for themselves and customers. So yes, essentially bring me 3310 back :)

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          God damn people here are fucking civil and understanding here

          I feel like I’m on Reddit in the late ‘00s again.

          Thanks mate.

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        Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena’s phone finder and filter the results by form factor to “bar”, IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones

        And also one little thing, can you all please stop using the wrong word, it is water resistance not waterproof

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        Waterproof devices are excluded from having to have replaceable batteries. Just FYI

        Also, newer android phones don’t have replaceable batteries either. So why always bitch about just Apple?

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          So why always bitch about just Apple?

          For years, Apple have been locking down parts to their phones. In this case with batteries, you get a message saying that your battery needs to be serviced, even if you are using a genuine Apple battery from another phone.

          Batteries, cameras, screens and sensors are locked down on newer iPhones. Replacing them will remove some of the phones functionality.

          I’m not sure if I’ve missed other manufacturers doing this with batteries, the only other one I remember was OnePlus encrypting the battery in their new OnePlus pad. It’s unfortunate that some manufacturers see what Apple have been doing, then followed in their footsteps with pairing screens - on some phones you can’t use the fingerprint scanner if you have swapped the screen, it’s ridiculous.

          The phone I use from oppo won’t complain if I were to replace parts in it. Though given that oppo and oneplus are owned by the same company, I wouldn’t be surprised if that changes soon.

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            If you use genuine parts and tools, you can replace those parts yourself without issues (Apple Repair Kit).

            Having worked at an Apple Store I might be biased but can also give you another perspective:

            Often, people would enter the store…

            1. complaining that their phone didn’t work although they just had it fixed. Most of the time, they went to some cheapo repair store where they got an even cheaper parts installed which caused the problem. Locking parts to your phone and only allowing replacement in an authorized store / through Apples own repair programs does prevent that.

            2. having issues accessing their phones after something happened. They only then realize that most of their lives is on that phone and that it would be advisable to keep it secure and to keep (encrypted) backups of their photos and other files. Making the replacement of TouchID sensors harder (again, only authorized repair shops, authentic parts) helps improve their security. You can pay with a phone, you have all your contact’s infos on there, all your personal and maybe professional pictures and mails, …

            People expect quality from Apple and don’t understand what could happen when they don’t use genuine parts. The fingerprint sensor could be faulty / easier to trick / manipulated. What then? Whom would they blame? At first Apple. And then the go angry to the next Apple Store where the reps have to explain everything to them…

            The problem is that the user base is more varied and much bigger then, let’s say, Oppo‘s. When you compare iPhone sales to the numbers of an other single smartph

            why Apple might choose this way. They sell many more phones and have to give support to many more phones than any other competitor. And they actually do give support. Also, their user base expects higher quality and better safeguards for their data from Apple then from other manufacturers.

            Sorry for keeping it short and not addressing every one of your points. It would take me too long and I have things to do.

            But it boils down to the following: Apple-„dislikers“ mostly think the worst of every decision Apple makes. Think the company is only out for the money. In reality, that’s only partially true. Apple thinks a lot about the costumer. For example, I was never asked to upsell a costumer but give them advice based on their needs. If this was, in the end, to go to the next electronics store and buy an android phone that was fine as well. As long as the costumer feels that Apple has their best interest at heart this was fine.

            Apple does think about the costumer, but making money (in the long term) is always an afterthought. So these restrictions you mentioned do benefit most of Apples consumers, as they don’t want to check if the replacement parts are safe to use from a security and / or safety standpoint. They expect them to work. Period.

            And that’s the last thing I’m going to mention: Apple devices work longer than most android devices. That’s build quality for one (yes, iPhones also have their problems. If you look at those problems compared to the amount of phones sold you’ll see that those problems are small compared to the competition). Apple has also been providing 4-5 years of Softwareupdates (to the latest OS and also security updates to older OSes if you stayed on them). Android manufacturers had to be forced by (EU) law to provide 3 years. And still not even to the latest OS version.

            As the EU is mainly looking to improve the ecological footprint, they and most critics don’t really consider that Apple has been actively working on recycling their products for many years now. Apple really does want to make an ecological impact. The build quality and software support make their devices great hand-me-downs. Their recycling and efforts do the rest.

            Please be advices that we talk about phones right now. Repairability and software support of macs is a completely different case. And as I said before, of course making money is important for Apple and often a nice side effect. I would argue, though, that it’s not always the main driving force behind Hardware / repairability decisions (and I also rejoice that my next iPhone will have USB-C ;-)).

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              Go watch Louis Rossman, he shoots down almost all of your Apple propaganda, eh ment arguments.

              Oh please, Apple doesn’t give a shit about their customers nor does any other major corporation for that matter. Only money matters.

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                I’ll suck Apple’s dick for one thing—they’re the last big (…biggest) company that actually cares about privacy. Siri might suck compared to any other AI assistant, but she’s not telling Apple that you’re doing a fat rail off your iPhone.

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                  Again, they dont care about privacy in any other way than the want your data for themselves. Are you really that naive?

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            You can’t actually make them as thin as they are now, regardles what OS they use under the hood, if the battery has to be removable. Yeah, you can still maintain the same specs, but at the cost of being 3, 4mm thicker 🤷.

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            Ahh, yes, true, under a new, upcoming regulation. Should read more news. ;-) thanks for painting that out!

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              Wow, a sincere, thankful reply. This place is indeed a lot better than reddit, isn’t it? I’ll have to get used to this type of internet

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                Me too, I was like “huh, someone actually thanked me and wanted to have a meaninful conversation 🤨”. I was baffled as well, but pleasantly surprised.

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    Unpopular opinion here: I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong. I use the iPhone 14 Pro. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining. I also don’t care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold. Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.

    What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part. Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.

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      Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?

      I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(

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        Certainly not a naive question!

        I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking. I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail. Haven’t used YouTube since. And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.

        I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle

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          Similar here lately :)

          I don’t use socials apart from occasionally Mastodon (which is interestingly not addictive, thanks to the chronological/honest UX!) and Insta, which I open in the browser to check what people write me and log out from afterwards.

          I also use YT in the browser, because the app is such an offensive blend of addiction patterns. Sadly Chrome for Android (willingly?) removed Chromecast support from web-based YT (…it was there years ago, iirc?)

          Also, I disabled notifications for non-urgent apps, and took a redundant online/offline approach to essential things (e.g. calendar, notes and so on) to be sure I don’t need to pull out my phone all the time. Nonetheless, I find myself using it a lot more than it used to be, which is quite sad

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            Oh those notifications! I totally forgot about them!

            I use an Apple Watch for some years now (got a cheap series 0, and later a cheap series 4 which I still use)

            This helped me a lot! I get the notifications, it vibrates, I take a quick look and, most of the time, just delete it because it is unnecessary. It got so annoying that I uninstalled apps and removed notifications for others lol

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      And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don’t know what’s up with them, but they love Apple devices.

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        I know at least 5 plebs who’d still purchase Apple devices even if they increased their prices by 100 bucks

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          There’s some people who’s probably be more likely to buy it after a price increase. Kinda curious if the top end models are veblen goods.

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    “Your honor, the apple vision pro was specifically designed to be used inside a small sailing ship.”

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          I mean, there are a lot of “ifs” in that article but I don’t feel like discussing that out so I’m accepting that issue. Even if they were the inventors they were very reserved using it (apart from their new Thunderbolt ports) and in (tech) history the credit often doesn’t go to those who created a thing, but to those who made it popular.

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            I mean, Apple went all in with USB-C in their 2016 MacBooks Pro. It was a very bold move and very early, and I’m sure it made USB C more popular as suddenly there was a need for USB C accessories. Apple always made moves like these. Removing the CD ROM drive, the Floppy disk etc. Everyone think of “lightning” in phones, but that was invented when there was only mini USB, and Apple wanted something smaller, and pluggable from whenever side (like USB C now). I don’t think Apple kept using Lightning to be “different”, but because its clients already have a lot of lightning stuff at this point (like me). I’m happy that Apple is moving (or forced to move) to USB C in their mobile phones, but just because at this point I have already USB C stuff. I’m glad they stuck with Lightning these last years. Anyway, I don’t care, but there’s just this meme that Apple wants to be different and create issues, but as a 15+ years Apple user after being a pc user from the early 90s I don’t feel like this is true.

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              I mean, I kinda know these struggles from when I was sowly replacing my Micro USB stuff by USB C out of comfort. But that phase went by and now I’m happy to have a plug for almost everything… And Lightning always kept me from considering Apple products as I didn’t want to have yet another plug.

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                I started with an Hackintosh, there wasn’t even Lightning back then. And nowadays with wireless charging you can as well never have a lightning cable at all. Anyway, good. You spared a lot of money. Once you try Apple there’s no going back. It’s like a drug. A beautiful addicting drug that makes your life better and your wallet emptier 🥲

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                  Haha, I had that experience with openSUSE Plasma exept that both openSUSE and Plasma are free and open source.