• ster@lemmy.ml
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    3 years ago

    Letting the Russian government oppress Ukraine won’t solve this either. We’d all prefer no fighting, but fighting is better than letting Russia bully their way.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      3 years ago

      There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this does is prolongue the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons.

      The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.

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        3 years ago

        If the Russian government believes it can just roll tanks into any neighbouring country as it fancies, cheaply and quickly, confident that the citizens of that country will surrender happily and have their freedoms taken away from them, they will start more wars and claim more territory.

        In war, there are mainly losers. It’s true Ukraine cannot win this war, but at this point, nor can Russia. Russia doesn’t even have enough soldiers to hold the entire country of Ukraine at this point, and maintaining control over any territory it captures will be expensive. That’s why they are focussing on capturing the Donbas region so they can claim victory and gain territory without losing face.

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            3 years ago

            It’s very likley that in a month or so Russia will have achieved some of their new targets in the east of the country. But this will not come cheaply and they will have lost more than they stand to gain.

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              3 years ago

              Here’s what was officially said on March 5th, I’m not aware of any change in their position since. So, not sure what these new targets you speak of are.

              I’m also curious what you’re basing the statement that they will have lost more than they stand to gain on. They see NATO as an existential threat, and pushing NATO out of Ukraine for good is what they wanted to gain all along.

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      3 years ago

      Did you read the part I quoted? There’s a lot that could be done to disable the Russian government instead of just trying to prolong the war.

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        3 years ago

        So you want Ukraine to join NATO now? Or establish a no fly zone which means NATO war with Russia??

        Sorry I live in Germany I value my life and non-radioactive city.

        I am pro sending weapons though, Ukraine seems to want them.

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          3 years ago

          Holy fuck, obviously Russia isn’t going to try and single-handedly take on all of NATO. They’d have to back off which is why the US is sending weapons instead of deescalation, because “defense” and weapons is one of the biggest drivers of the US economy.

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            3 years ago

            This is so funny because Russia has the most advanced military in the world. Particularly hypersonic missiles, which the u.s. wont have for years. And working missile defense systems.