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The electricity grid operators of the three Baltic countries on Tuesday officially notified Russia and Belarus that they will exit a 2001 agreement that has kept Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania connected to an electricity transmission system controlled by Moscow.
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Sounds like Estonia figured out how to network cybersecurity with their neighbors, because Russia is gonna go absolutely nuts trying to attack their grid now.
Well great thing. What will this mean to the Kaliningrad Region of Russia. As it is not directly connected to Russia and landlocked by Lithuania and Poland.
That is an interesting thought exercise. Would they really be cut off, and what would the impacts look like? I don’t know anything about Kaliningrad internal sustainability, but could guess it’s… not good. Time to annex?
Unless you are proposing a genocide (which I hope not), Königsberg is full of russians, which I doubt many countries would want to deal with right now.
It is (or it was) the major military seaport in the baltic… and we are speaking about russia. They most likely generate their own power.
On the long run, i think it should be annexed by the EU as a common land for the whole union.
Edit: Just checked, they mainly produce energy with gasoil and are apparently currently importing energy from EU to satisfy internal demand. They also have a nuclear power plant of 2,34 MW (2 VVER) under construction. They built it under the idea of producing energy to export but as they failed to find buyers, construcción was halt.
On the long run, i think it should be annexed by the EU as a common land for the whole union
What about we turn it into a great nudist LGBTQ+ friendly resort? With rainbows and unicorns and blahajs and what not.
Beautiful idea in theory, but the deeply conservative domestic residents might not appreciate it.
It’s the best time to start. The authorities are probably too busy to chance down some queers at the beach.
Kaliningrad is not called Königsberg anymore. There was a war over this.
On the long run, I think it should be annexed by the EU.
This is imperialism. IMO, the people of the Oblast Kaliningrad should be able to decide for themselves since the Russian Federation is de jure a federation. Once independent, Kaliningrad would be able to go through EU’s process of entry into the union.
I don’t see this happening anytime soon, because Russia is de facto neither a federation nor a democracy and I assume the people of Kaliningrad do not have the political will to be independent or part of the EU at the moment.
No need, they are already part of the Czech Republic, there was even a totally 100% legit referendum about it back in 2022 :P
People casually calling for the ethnic cleansing of Russians from a Russian Oblast and annexation of the territory is fucked up.
Russia’s crimes in Ukraine don’t make it okay for us to become completely deranged and want to forcibly remove thousands upon thousands of people from a region.
Except…. No one in this messaging chain called for ethnic cleansing, just annexation. So…. maybe don’t make stuff up?
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2,34MW seems pretty low for a nuclear power plant. For comparison, the smallest nuclear plant in the US produces 568MW
As a Pole, I want Kaliningrad to be renamed to Królewiec (or Kralovec for that matter), all Russians deported and the land split evenly for Czechs and Slovaks so that they finally get their sea access.
Yeah, lets not forcefully deport people from their homes.
As Europe returns to it’s fascist roots, I’m afraid this sentiment is going to steadily increase in popularity.
Strap in for another 30 Years War.
Hell yea brother! All aboard the Královec express! :D
Ethnically cleanse Russians from Kaliningrad, annex the territory and fill it with ethnic Czechs and Slovaks. Not fascistic at all…
If they can’t generate their own, I’d guess they’d have to buy it from a neighbour. The agreement isn’t a total lack of trade, but withdrawing from Russia having control over their grids.
Of course that means they’d have to behave in Kalingrad, else they’d see power cut off. Personally I thing Moscow has the resources to build a power plant in Kalingrad if they haven’t already.
Down with Russia’s economy!
I don’t think Russia’s economy lives off of some electricity it has been selling to the baltics
Death by a thousand cuts, there is no one action that can be taken bar dropping a nuke. Dont belittle efforts being made that damage fascism.
Unfurtunately BRICS supports Russia and is also killing the dollar.
No no not the dollar. Somebody stop them. Oh well, I tried.
Down with ruSSian imperialism and fascism!
That’s a bit of an overstatement
That’s literally the point of sanctions. You can’t have nice sanctions that doesn’t work.
No I mean Russian economy will not be severely hurt by this.
I think OP is simply cheering that they want Russia’s economy to crumble.
This power grid thing is only a small part of their economy, and OP wants more bad stuff to happen to their economy.
Unfortunately, the Russian economy is growing faster than all developed economies.
Statistical inflation from their, you know, fascist invasion.
damn I didn’t even realize that this was a thing.
Pretty big legacy system to overhaul.
Yeah, makes sense in the context of the USSR
It sounds like a nice sentiment but I hope it doesn’t lead to Texas-like problems for them.
They are now connected to the European grid. Via the sulweki gap to Poland and by sea cables to Finland. Texas is just very… very… very… special.
Good to hear! And ya, Texas is… Something…
Power grids are very interlinked, it helps with grid stability. It would be weird if they weren’t.
This is a fun map: app.electricitymaps.com
It would be weird if they weren’t.
See also: Texas
I know these things in the back of my head, but I never think about them. like during the opening shots of the second Gulf War, when they use those cruise missiles that didn’t have warheads, they just had a bunch of carbon filament wires to dump on their power substations; like that makes total sense but I had no clue that we did shit like that
Was the carbon filament to short circuit things?
exactly
Power grids are very interlinked
Interlinked
They definitely know what it was like to suffer under Soviet repression, so no surprise here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
Klein argues that neoliberal free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in countries and regions such as the United States, the United Kingdom, China, the European Union, and Eastern Europe, because of a deliberate strategy of “shock therapy”. This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively. The book advances the idea that several man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through unpopular free market capitalist policies in their wake.
The Eastern Bloc suffered an enormous drop in living quality following the dissolution of the USSR. Far from reaping a bounty via free market liberty, the people in these countries found themselves the subject of a historic privatization and looting of national treasuries and resources.
Bulgaria is an interesting data point. It’s economy collapsed during the '90, and was rapidly privatized in the '00s after the son of Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria (deposed in 1946) was installed as the state’s Prime Minister.
Corruption under the former aristocrat soared, access to education and housing was stripped away, and the country’s most productive assets were sold off piecemeal to private investors.
By the mid-10s, the country was wracked with the same street protests and riots that brought down the Soviet government. These protests only ended after a far right paramilitary backed government cracked down on public media and launched police raids against the largest dissident groups. The country currently has no functional government, as the PM-ship is passed between minority party stakeholders, crime is rampant, and poverty is endemic.
The Eastern Bloc suffered an enormous drop in living quality following the dissolution of the USSR. Far from reaping a bounty via free market liberty, the people in these countries found themselves the subject of a historic privatization and looting of national treasuries and resources.
This is a black and white perspective. You have to keep in mind that citizens of these countries were significantly worse off as (involuntarily) being part of the USSR than the countries that were not in the Eastern Bloc, and most of them are now significantly better off as part of the EU. Most citizens remember the repression, shortages, and russification all too well.
You have to keep in mind that citizens of these countries were significantly worse off as (involuntarily) being part of the USSR than the countries that were not in the Eastern Bloc
Which citizens? Migrants have been flooding out of the Eastern Bloc for decades.
And what does “voluntary” membership in the EU look like when you’ve got five years of riots that can only be quelled by tanks in the streets?
Are you sure you are on the right server? I think Lemmy.ml is probably more your bubble.
Petty much the view that Russia’s neighbours see when looking across the border. And the Russians wonder why nobody wants be friends…
Fuck the blyats. Russia as a geopolitical entity should be destroyed.
Honestly every country should be destroyed as a geopolitical entity; they separate us and allow for malicious actors to pit us against each other, while avoiding responsibility.
Also, blyat’
Are you recommending a descent into anarchism, then?
I recommend extending the practice and authority of democratic supranational organizations to the point similar to EU, at least.
And then ideally having such a body for an entire world, while slowly blending into sort of federation state
That’s not a descent
Okay well, you get right on that
Fuck yeah!
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