No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.
Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.
Disingenuous it is.
At this point, he can’t have a shadow of a doubt what they’re using it for.
If you’re giving some $20 knowing full well that they’re going to use them for drugs, you’re not giving them lunch money. You’re giving them drug money.
Biden is providing weapons that he KNOWS are going to be used to commit genocide (which is in itself illegal according to US and international law btw), including weapons with no defensive purposes such as bombs.
Your “he’s just innocently providing for their self defense” excuse is absolutely ridiculous and I very much doubt that you even believe it yourself.
when someone deliberately does something violent to innocent people, attacking them *first * and you respond that they have the right to “defend themselves”, yes you are complicit.
Israel isn’t and has never “defended” itself. It is the instigator of this conflict.
Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does
Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.
The funding is intended for that defense
That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.
Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them.
Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.
In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.
We made the good faith donation
No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.
they’re the one abusing it.
Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.
That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.
Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.
What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith, Israel is abusing it. Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.
What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith
That’s not how good faith works. Good faith is when you do something benevolent thinking that your actions aren’t going to have negative repercussions.
The fact that he KNOWS that to not be the case means that he is NOT acting in good faith.
Putting a “for self defense only, not genocide” sticker on a bomb that you KNOW without a shadow of a doubt is going to be used to commit genocide does NOT absolve you of your responsibility to not knowingly contribute to the genocide.
Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.
Right about the first part, wrong about the second.
While it’s of course PRIMARILY the fault of Netanyahu, the fact that Biden knows and still keeps the weapons coming makes him an indispensable accessory to Netanyahu’s crimes against humanity.
Without weapons there is no genocide. Most of the weapons come from the US. Ergo, without the US there is at WORST a genocide of a much smaller scale.
Biden believes, legitimately believes, Israel has the right to defend itself and provided honest and sincere support with that intent.
That’s all well and good, but when he knows that they’re being used for genocide and STILL sends them, his stated intent doesn’t matter since he KNOWS that it’s not going to be fulfilled.
To go back to your own analogy about lunch/drug money:
If you give a guy $20 a day for lunch every day and every day you see him spending that money on drugs, how long can you keep watching the originally unintended consequence of your generosity before putting two and two together and realizing that what you’re doing is paying for drugs, no matter how much either of you pretends that you’re just giving him lunch money?
This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.
I understand just fine that the US diplomatic and political stance is that Israel is exempt from all rules.
That doesn’t erase the genocide or the US complicity in It though, and if you think it does, YOU are the one who needs to reacquaint yourself with reality outside of the Zionist kayfabe before "engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things“.
Also, could you possibly be any more arrogantly condescending? Please cut that shit out, lest you appear to suffer from a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Again, I’m going to ask you to read up on how politics work before engaging any further. I
truly believe it is in both of our best interest that you do this.
Dissent is not ignorance and you’re not smart for pretending you know better for credulously believing the deceptive establishment narrative.
Please stop pretending that your “that’s just how it is” attitude is anything but defeatism if not outright bootlicking.
To accept the toxic status quo as inevitable does not make you more knowledgeable and trying to gatekeep those who disagree makes you look foolish to put it mildly.
No, you don’t. And that is evident in every one of your arguments on the subject. And not only do you lack the understanding it takes to discuss the topic, you’re seemingly incapable of doing it without insulting people.
This is the last time I will request that you further your education on politics- specifically, the trade agreements and relations between the US, and Israel- and why it would be illegal to completely cut them off.
Please don’t respond before you have educated yourself on these matters.
No, you don’t. And that is evident in every one of your arguments on the subject. And not only do you lack the understanding it takes to discuss the topic
Patently false. Not to mention EXTREMELY condescending.
you’re seemingly incapable of doing it without insulting people.
Says the person falsely accusing me of profound ignorance. If that’s not insulting, nothing is.
This is the last time I will request that you further your education on politics- specifically, the trade agreements and relations between the US, and Israel- and why it would be illegal to completely cut them off.
And this is possibly the last time I reiterate the fact that being ideologically opposed to the corrupt status quo and the jingoistic laws that protect it does NOT equal ignorance about any of it.
Please don’t respond before you have educated yourself on these matters
Please don’t continue being an arrogant blowhard who can’t tell the difference between disagreement and ignorance.
I know you think (or pretend to think) that trying to silence me would heighten the discourse, but in reality it’s blatant attempted censorship based in authoritarian gaslighting and only serves to narrow the conversation to one where no opinion other than your own is allowed.
With all due respect, which is none, FUCK that!
As for the link you added after I replied, that’s straight up apologia from the slavishly pro-establishment and pro-Biden outlet Politico and as such not a good source of information.
Also, it’s a “what’s happening right now” article that’s several months out of date.
No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.
Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.
Biden is not directly doing anything related to the Genocide, that’s all on Bibi.
If I give someone $20 for lunch and they blow it on drugs instead, I’m not actively supporting their drug habit.
Disingenuous it is.
At this point, he can’t have a shadow of a doubt what they’re using it for.
If you’re giving some $20 knowing full well that they’re going to use them for drugs, you’re not giving them lunch money. You’re giving them drug money.
Biden is providing weapons that he KNOWS are going to be used to commit genocide (which is in itself illegal according to US and international law btw), including weapons with no defensive purposes such as bombs.
Your “he’s just innocently providing for their self defense” excuse is absolutely ridiculous and I very much doubt that you even believe it yourself.
It’s not being disingenuous.
Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does:
https://youtu.be/Oz1BAOjaTqs
The funding is intended for that defense.
Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them. We made the good faith donation, they’re the one abusing it.
That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.
when someone deliberately does something violent to innocent people, attacking them *first * and you respond that they have the right to “defend themselves”, yes you are complicit.
Israel isn’t and has never “defended” itself. It is the instigator of this conflict.
Not on October 7th they weren’t. Nobody at that music festival was actively attacking Palestinians. Get that bullshit out of your head right now.
Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.
That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.
Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.
In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.
No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.
Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.
Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.
What Biden knows is irrelevant. He’s providing the support in good faith, Israel is abusing it. Specifically Bibi is abusing it. That is not Biden’s fault.
That’s not how good faith works. Good faith is when you do something benevolent thinking that your actions aren’t going to have negative repercussions.
The fact that he KNOWS that to not be the case means that he is NOT acting in good faith.
Putting a “for self defense only, not genocide” sticker on a bomb that you KNOW without a shadow of a doubt is going to be used to commit genocide does NOT absolve you of your responsibility to not knowingly contribute to the genocide.
Right about the first part, wrong about the second.
While it’s of course PRIMARILY the fault of Netanyahu, the fact that Biden knows and still keeps the weapons coming makes him an indispensable accessory to Netanyahu’s crimes against humanity.
Without weapons there is no genocide. Most of the weapons come from the US. Ergo, without the US there is at WORST a genocide of a much smaller scale.
noun: good faith
honesty or sincerity of intention.
“the details contained in this brochure have been published in good faith”
Biden believes, legitimately believes, Israel has the right to defend itself and provided honest and sincere support with that intent.
That is NOT the same as actively engaging in genocide.
That’s all well and good, but when he knows that they’re being used for genocide and STILL sends them, his stated intent doesn’t matter since he KNOWS that it’s not going to be fulfilled.
To go back to your own analogy about lunch/drug money:
If you give a guy $20 a day for lunch every day and every day you see him spending that money on drugs, how long can you keep watching the originally unintended consequence of your generosity before putting two and two together and realizing that what you’re doing is paying for drugs, no matter how much either of you pretends that you’re just giving him lunch money?
And this should be the point to end the argument. Well said.
Wrong on both accounts, since the entire world including Biden KNOWS what those weapons are going to be used for beforehand.
He’s not sending bombs and missile guiding systems for self defense. He’s sending them to be used to commit genocide and he knows it.
This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.
I understand just fine that the US diplomatic and political stance is that Israel is exempt from all rules.
That doesn’t erase the genocide or the US complicity in It though, and if you think it does, YOU are the one who needs to reacquaint yourself with reality outside of the Zionist kayfabe before "engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things“.
Also, could you possibly be any more arrogantly condescending? Please cut that shit out, lest you appear to suffer from a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Again, I’m going to ask you to read up on how politics work before engaging any further. I truly believe it is in both of our best interest that you do this.
I know full well how politics work.
Dissent is not ignorance and you’re not smart for pretending you know better for credulously believing the deceptive establishment narrative.
Please stop pretending that your “that’s just how it is” attitude is anything but defeatism if not outright bootlicking.
To accept the toxic status quo as inevitable does not make you more knowledgeable and trying to gatekeep those who disagree makes you look foolish to put it mildly.
No, you don’t. And that is evident in every one of your arguments on the subject. And not only do you lack the understanding it takes to discuss the topic, you’re seemingly incapable of doing it without insulting people.
This is the last time I will request that you further your education on politics- specifically, the trade agreements and relations between the US, and Israel- and why it would be illegal to completely cut them off.
Please don’t respond before you have educated yourself on these matters.
I’d suggest you start here.
Patently false. Not to mention EXTREMELY condescending.
Says the person falsely accusing me of profound ignorance. If that’s not insulting, nothing is.
And this is possibly the last time I reiterate the fact that being ideologically opposed to the corrupt status quo and the jingoistic laws that protect it does NOT equal ignorance about any of it.
Please don’t continue being an arrogant blowhard who can’t tell the difference between disagreement and ignorance.
I know you think (or pretend to think) that trying to silence me would heighten the discourse, but in reality it’s blatant attempted censorship based in authoritarian gaslighting and only serves to narrow the conversation to one where no opinion other than your own is allowed.
With all due respect, which is none, FUCK that!
As for the link you added after I replied, that’s straight up apologia from the slavishly pro-establishment and pro-Biden outlet Politico and as such not a good source of information.
Also, it’s a “what’s happening right now” article that’s several months out of date.
Do better or stop trying.