When I was growing up the internet was a place to be liberated from the world say what you want to say, be whoever you want and form genuine communities with shared interests. Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable. Novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free in the commons allowing people access to the free flow of information under the banner of “information should be free” has largely gone away with corpratisation. I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world not this controlled censored hell hole of profiteering.
I agree and now I find myself moving my entire digital life off of big tech platforms and towards free software to escape this madness.
The good old internet still exists and lemmy is living proof. You just need to dig a little because the corporate search engines won’t show you. sdf.org for example is a nice little corner of the internet.
As long as the internet remains open, even if it’s in our own private corner, then we’ll always have a place to go, even if the place changes. If Google’s “internet DRM” ever becomes a thing, we’re completely fucked.
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Same here, I’ve become extremely disillusioned by how dystopian big tech has become. It’s a nice change of pace to use platforms like Lemmy or Mastodon where it’s just every day people running instances rather than a place for big tech to collect and profit off your data
Cory Doctorow may have you covered; he just posted recently about his next book, which sounds like it deals with what you’re talking about, and tries to find ways to fix it: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/110809535924735163
Thanks for this! Love his writing. Just pledged for the audiobook on Kickstarter.
Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable
This so much. Go against the narrative and you’re banned even for breaking no rules. Reddit is in the endgame of this at the moment. The admins and their power mods decide on the narrative and if you don’t play along and circle jerk you get banned, often from subs you have never even been to.
Unfortunately in my short time here I’m seeing much the same, though at least the bannings aren’t at the same extent yet. Give it time though.
Yup exactly the word removed is censored, I could really do with a pack of fags and smoking a removed
Maybe just stop posting racist homophobic shit?
And where is that?
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Ask yourself what results in the outcome of, everyone owning everything or everyone owning nothing.
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No, the point is they result in the same outcome just with a different path.
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I would prefer to be able to criticise identity politics and peoples self serving egos that maintain the status quo of capitalism
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“enslave”
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are you serious with thos wording? and if everyone agrees with your opinions would you have still made this topic?
You know the more intimidation you try to shut down discourse the more I want to throw it in your face.
They said elsewhere they are tired of being called out because they hate the LGBTQ flags. It’s a troll looking to claim to be a victim.
I still would of posted regardless
I agree with your premise, but no, I don’t feel like the internet is just " echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced". And anytime I see someone complain about being systematically censored or banned, you’ve gotta look at what they’re posting.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1697612
Banned because I made a meme that reddit was once a platform for free speech now a social engineering tool, found any excuse on my profile to give me a label of hate speech, and also because I disagreed with abortion.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1692669
What is it with you lot with your obsession and fixation on rights? Why do you want the government to dictate your thoughts and actions so much?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693235
Enforcing policy is dictating lives though, how about just use a different name for marriage and do a different ritual? Unless that’s only if you actually only care for inheritance laws.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696649
How about people just treat each better than forcing it on people by the state.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693539
Marxism-leninism isn’t fascist though
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1677203
Like when your get older you appreciate the professionalism and authoritarian rules. No being more conservative doesn’t mean you hate gays and want death upon them, you libs sure do like to assume and generalise.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1676143
Well the western left does have issues like being sex obsessed.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696276
So bad because he wrong thinked? Tate bad because he said a word? Please if he helps young men go to the gym and improve mental health then what’s the problem but it also highlights a gaping hole in society that hasn’t been addressed and neglected by this Western woke ideology, largely the needs of males have been neglected, shunned and ignored.
Just a quick 5 minutes of scrolling. So maybe people dislike what you’re saying because what you’re saying is anti-LGBT, anti-rights, pro-forced birth, conservative, tankie apologia? Also a fan of Andrew Tate so pro-rape, pro-human trafficking. I mean your record is speaking for itself.
Thanks for doing the digging on the very same suspicion I had. It’s kind of amazing how reliable a tell this tone is.
I fucking knew it was gonna be goobus
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No it’s not, why should positions be bannable? What if you got banned for simply having an opinion?
I’d need to know what communities/subreddits it was. But many subreddits restrict types of posting that may be seen as hate speech or against the community’s limited scope. Posting pro-tankie stuff to socialist communities, anti-abortion stuff to women’s communities, anti-lgbt stuff in general, etc, could get you banned. Most of that is probably fine in more general subs but I can’t imagine the pro-Andrew Tate stuff would fly in XX, for instance.
I said in r/atheist that I disagreed with abortion and that got me a permanent ban. Just for that opinion alone, I triedexplainning to the mod but they went on a tirade that I hated women against women’s rights etc etc which is completely untrue, I just disagree with abortion.
If you’re anti-abortion, you’re anti-woman. You can’t say you care about women if you deny our right to healthcare. Sorry, but you suck.
That is flawed logic, I want to develop the economy so people can afford to have a family and women don’t feel the need to abort their child because they can’t afford to have or raise a child. It would be preferable if people took personal responsibility and not have sex if they can’t afford children and not delve into hendonism having sex to have fun. I think it’s wrong for men to be pro-abortion just to exploit women into having sex without consequences for yourself.
The fact that you think that’s the only reason (or even just the main reason) people get abortions shows how you, like most anti-abortionists, haven’t bothered to look at the facts and have your head so far stuck in the sand that its not even worth talking to you.
There are other reasons but it’s largely to do with being in a capitalist system with the cost of living causing hardship straining the ability to afford a home let alone raise a family.
What opinion?
See the reply below, not explaining again
So, bigoted opinions? Yeah those should be banned.
If we’re talking about whether or not you like pineapples on pizza, no one gives a damn which way you lean.
If we’re talking about human rights, there’s a very clear wrong answer. If your ‘opinion’ falls on the Nazi side of that aisle, this might be your cue to ask yourself “are we the baddies?”
The larger point with pineapple was that where do you draw the line, in the future pineapple might be considered bigoted, just like the saying “stick a n##### on a rape charge” in considered bigoted despite it being normal before my time. In my day disagreeing with someone wasn’t considered trolling or hate speech. What is considered hate speech etc is largely down to perspective, being a nerd was considered a bad thing until we appropriated it and turned it into a compliment, would it not be better to turn offense to a compliment and just stop being so damn butthurt?
You’re conflating disagreeing with behaving like a Nazi. I don’t give a fuck what was acceptable back in your day. Today we draw the line at human rights If you get butthurt at being ridiculed for lamenting at the opposition you face when you try to marginalize other groups, then keep that shit to yourself. Or better yet, make an effort to actually get to know some people from the groups you’re directing hatred at - might find you actually start caring about them, and suddenly their rights will mean more to you than the pushback you get for posting slurs online
All I’m saying is why can’t you just be a better person and be respectful without being told to or by an authority or the big other, if you need to be told or ordered to be a better person, then your not really a good person are you?
Typing removed should not be an offence, buying a bag of faggots from a van should not be a crime and smoking a removed should not be punishable by law. I would like the UK not to be an Orwellian woke hell hole.
Instead of playing whack-a-mole how about seeing what inflames that ideology in their environment and fix that, at least if they’re vocal you can identify them and see where it comes from and fix that instead of forcing them underground and hiding it. No, no opinion should be banned, at least with bigoted opinions there an identifier that there is something wrong in the urban planning in which they live that needs to be fix, your solution is to ban and ignore the problems.
How does highlighting the positive aspect of someone’s message equate to being pro-rape? I don’t think anyone can possibly be pro-rape…
It’s always the people you most expect.
Well, I’ve had a look at the way you argue - maybe you should, too. It’s not even about specific views or opinions, although full disclosure, I disagree strongly with quite a lot of it. The way you discuss things looks extremely insincere.
Course it’s about specific views and opinions if I discoursed the opposite it would all be given a complete pass like how I was up to 3 years ago and prior. I changed my approach and how I look at things and all a sudden I get all this abuse and harassment for just having an opinion.
So when I talk about your style of discussion seeming insincere, this… is exactly it.
Why does style matter, you don’t like my style so you can say I’m wrong? Or exploiting the fact I communicate differently? Or are you coming up with excuses to defend your ideology?
Can you seriously not see how your “opinion” hurts people? My opinion is that dicks are icky and no one should be allowed to have one. Me and millions of other like-minded individuals are going to vote this into law. Lots of people are going to bleed out and die from their dick removal. Let’s talk about how awesome my hero is, they cut thousands of dicks off and encouraged other people to do the same! That makes you feel good, right? No? Why are you so mad? It’s just my opinion!
So let’s do away with democratic principles of discourse because a tiny few doesn’t like a opinion?, how is society meant to advance without discourse or communicate? Are you suggesting everyone should live in fear of reprisals because a group threatens violence? It is wrong, I don’t like a lot of other peoples opinions and you know what I do? I move on, why would the opinion of pineapple belonging on pizza bother me, I would not be offended by an opinion that much that it requires banning and harassment. Just move the hell on.
Dude, what?
Well if you can’t discuss things how is society meant to move forward?
You know slave holders also had that same opinion to have control over their slaves.
Um.
You are aware that slave holders used to chop the men’s penis off to stop them reproducing to control their numbers right?
It sounds like your actual problem is that you hate the freedom other people have to disagree with you and critique you, and you would prefer to enslave everyone else into conforming to your ideology.
No stop assuming and jumping to conclusions
You’re really telling me that on your own post full of assumptions and jumping to conclusions?
You need to take some of your own medicine because hypocrite doesn’t look good on you.
I try my best but I’m just highlighting the problems
“My right to spout my ideologically inconsistent dog shit opinions is clearly more important than the rights of women to decide what to do with their own bodies. This is the worst kind of discrimination; the discrimination against ME. It’s literally slavery. Woke women with blue hair challenged me on my idiotic opinions and I felt like they were being mean to me. You can’t disagree with me though, because I’m a Marxist-Leninist and I throw out buzz words like planned economies. Believe me bro, trust me bro.”
You lot are really creepy with your judgements, generalisations, assumptions, stalking and harassment. Maybe if you took the time to understand that communism is stateless their would be no need to implement rights because there would be no government as we think of it today.
So you believe that there should be no rights for other people, but YOUR right to free speech should never be limited. Gotcha. Either you’re a complete imbecile, or a troll. Probably both.
Communism would be the resolution of contradictions that cause conflicts therefore no need to pass rights because no state which means no one to enforce such measures, a law in communism would be fictitious as it would just be a writing on paper.
Balance out that Marx and Lenin with some Bakunin and Godwin.
It’s supposed to be a stateless condition but the Marxist-Leninism intermediate is just giving most power to a small vanguard that could turn corrupt really quickly.
Look up marxist leninist-castroism which believes the role of the vanguard party is to provide resources and education to the people in order for them to lead themselves if thats your problem with vanguard parties and you otherwise believe in communism.
Nobody really indexes those types of sites anymore. I suppose a lot of those site operators are more than happy to remain separate from the big tech net.
You should try lemmy, it’s almost everything what you describe you are missing. Jokes aside, I think that what you refer is mainstream internet, which like music is usually shitty if it’s mainstream, to find the good stuff you have to take your time to dig deeper. Internet is an incredible tool and it’s being used both to enslave and to free people.
Funny, yeah years ago it was easier to find interesting unique content. To quote slavoj zizek “when you think you escape it into your dreams, that is when you are within ideology”.
Echo chambers are what happens often when you trust personalized algorithms. You pick specifically the things you agrree with, and then later you don’t get exposed to things beyond your own worldview and interests. And recently, algorithms have been proliferating all over the internet and there’s a lot of discouragement from using smaller services - a lot of it has to do with how the variety of content on the bigger social media networks is not yet replicated on smaller sites. The fact that smaller sites have now become usable thanks to Reddit and Twitter going down the drain makes me feel like on one hand I feel more free now because I can explore all sorts of sites and more people will be there, but on the other hand I am intimidated by the sheer amount of alternatives and my mind can’t manage with all of them at once, so I minimize my general social media usage. The fediverse is, in a way, consisting of “novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free”.
@Foresight@lemmy.ml Not at all young man
I get what you mean, but I also feel like the fediverse has given many of us a return to some of the freedoms and feelings of the early internet.
I’m writing this from an instance I admin, an instance that exists, specifically to make a better world for queer and gender diverse folk. We prioritise minority safety over “federate with everyone”, but that freedom to exist without institutionalised transphobia being ignored like it is on most social media platforms, with the ability for us to exist and communicate without being dogpiled by haters, and to actively remove the bigots, that is a freedom I haven’t felt in a long time!
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