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    Wow, I didn’t realize that they were about the same age. I just assumed that Clinton, who was last elected president twenty-eight years ago, was way older.

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      Prepare yourself:

      Clinton, Trump and Bush Jr were all born in the “summer” of 1946.

      Since 1992, 32 years ago, there has been a presidential candidate from the summer of 1946 for 7 elections (trump 3 times now) or 28 years worth.

      Additionally, H Clinton was the “fall” of 1947, Romney the “spring” of 1947, Gore the “spring” of 1948.

      Obama, McCain, Kerry and Biden are the only exceptions to the core Boomer generation of a 2 year window dominating presidential elections for ~35yrs.

      With Biden and Kerry kinda being older boomers, born in ~1942/3 and Obama a young boomer at ~1960. Harris and Walz (and Vance too) mark a generational step change to X-gen and millennials

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        Can I ask why the seasons are in quotes? No shade, it’s good information (though Obama is still a core boomer, and Harris and Walz are on the cusp- 1946-64 is the range in the US), just wondering

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          Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere, or call autumn “fall”, or, AFAICT, use the seasons over specific months as much as the US.

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            the quotes don’t really help with any of that though. people can figure it out from context.

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                Our national network yes, but we don’t have the bullshit locked down devices (paired with a certain sim) you have in the land of the free, we can buy whatever we like and it magically works.

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                  We can do that too, its just a thing with the phone service providers. I can go and buy a brand new unlocked phone at best buy and not even have to think about locks. Also there are programs for cracking those devices.

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            I think it is fair to ascribe northern seasons to people who have held a job with the de facto requires you to be born on the northern hemisphere.

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              Just to be pedantic:

              You don’t have to be born in the US to be president, you just have to be born with US citizenship, but if one or both of your parents are citizens, you are too from birth.

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                The only US presidents who weren’t officially born in the US were all born in the 13 English colonies that would eventually make up the US. It is still debated if someone born outside the US to American parents is eligible for the president. Birther scandals go all the way back to Chester Arthur, who was first purported to be born in his father’s homeland of Ireland, and then Lower Canada, where his parents first met. Those accusations never really took root and were disproven, but there has never been a Supreme Court ruling to determine what “natural born” citizen actually means.

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                  Given the current supreme court, I’d wager it depends on the party affiliation of the candidate.

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              All good!

              If it helps, I don’t live in the Northern Hempisphere, so I had to think a bit each time.

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          and Harris and Walz are on the cusp- 1946-64 is the range in the US)

          Well, I think that’s missing the forest for the trees. If people at the older edge of cusp have been dominant, then shifting to the younger edge, ~15-20 years younger, is still a step change.

          Obama kinda marked the beginning of it, but is best viewed as an aberration. His opponents were silent gen (McCain) and old-boomer (Romney, 1947). And the next two elections after him were, in birth years, '46 v '47, '42 v '46. IE, over 6 candidates in 4 elections, Obama was the only one not born before 1948. Both Harris and Walz being born in '64 feels like a step change (where apart from Palin, I don’t think VPs were ever typically much younger)

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        Harris and Walz aren’t Millennials by any stretch. Harris is 59, Walz is 60. Spring chickens compared to Biden and Trump, but still 20 years removed from the oldest Millennial cohorts.

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          I think you missed the point. Not that they are millennial but that it’s the first time millennial are seeing someone born from a different time period.

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        Yeah, Trump was an NYC Democrat. I thought it was remarkable that he managed to legitimize himself to Republican voters.

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          I think it’s nothing. They are a frustrated disoriented group. They’d take anyone.

          Maybe so are Dem voters who are excited about Harris, while a few years ago she was rather unpopular.

          I’ve never set foot in the new world, but maybe people should be excited about perspectives of a new major party coming to existence, since GOP is broken. While Harris is just better than Trump, no less and no more.

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            If the GOP continue on the path they’re on eventually (hopefully) the Dems can win in a landslide and open up for another party to beat them. Right now we are still stuck with the two because potentially splitting the Dems is too much of a risk

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    If he really works on it, I bet he can stay younger than Trump for the rest of his life.

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    He looks so much younger/healthier than last time. I wonder if he had covid last dnc, because I remember him looking like SpongeBob with the suds.

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    big dog still has it 💚

    bill clinton was my first “vote” in the channel one national mock election when i was in sixth grade and he was president when i visited the white house a year later. i still have my socks the cat comic book i got from the gift shop :)

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      Oh and possibly committed more fraud between you and your wife between Whitewater, Travelgate, and Filegate than Donny too…

      Trump: convicted on 34 counts of tax fraud.

      Clintons: convicted of 0 anythings.

      Man, it must really chap Republican ass that their god is finally being held accountable for his crimes, and yet the Clintons, who they’ve been investigating and smearing for fucking decades haven’t been charged with one single crime. Guess that means either

      a) the GOP is laughably incompetent,
      b) the Clintons haven’t committed any of the crimes the GOP likes to accuse them of, or
      c) all the above.

      (Hint: the answer is C)

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        Yeah, remind me who was was illegally using campaign funds to pay Stormy not to rat him out about her near rape experience while his wife was pregnant. The hypocrisy is just astounding. You’d think that they would want to avoid conversations about adultery.