I don’t believe any of it swayed any votes, but I do believe it got a significant amount of people that either wouldn’t vote or wouldn’t promote a candidate to do so. From a hype and marketing viewpoint, I don’t think one could argue MAGA has not been a tremendous success for Republicans. I don’t recall a candidate of either party owning the media or having so much merch-aganda as Trump, and it’s going to hurt them when he’s gone. No one’s going to be sporting I’m going HAM for Lindsey Graham stuff.
I said in my original comment I’m all for getting in any candidate not doing the best thing. There were things I didn’t like about Biden, and there are a number of things about Kamala I’m not excited about, but that is hopefully next January’s problem.
The concept of Biden as a candidate was viable, but the man himself no longer was. The Republican average Joe that was the real mass behind the MAGA movement no longer knows what to do though now that the Lock Her Up, Sleepy Joe’s Got To Go, etc is gone. It’s not just Trump with the wind knocked out of his sails, but a lot of supporters as well. Trump spoke their language, but now he’s at a loss for words, and I’m happy to see it.
EDIT: Not me that downvoted you. I don’t downvote for disagreeing, just for misinformation or bigoted crap and you haven’t done anything like that.
The Rs fired up for Trump and the Ds bummed at Biden are 2 separate groups. Whoever minimizes the damages from their own respective group is going to come out on top. I don’t see undecideds as a factor with as divergent as both parties are. They both had sagging bases, but the Kamala swap got one group fired up, but the other side just seems caught unprepared, and that’s why polling is flipping.
Whoever doesn’t think Kamala has baggage isn’t paying attention. There’s reasons she was hardly anyone’s choice last time around, and anyone reading any articles other than the kiss up ones now is already getting a reminder of those reasons. Lemmy was full of articles about dropping the anti-death penalty stance from the platform this week, for example. But there isn’t any good to come out of beating up on her about that unless she’s elected first.
Think of them as people unwilling to hold their nose for Biden or trump.
Change out Biden, and suddenly more people are willing to vote.
Because Biden was and is a bad candidate. He spent like 50 years trying to be president and only succeeded in a rigged primary against the literal worst president we’ve ever had when he was the incumbent.
I don’t think trump and Biden are the complete bottom of the barrel numbers for an incumbent at the end of their first term, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t bottom 5, there might be a handful of ancient (for America) history that were less popular but not in modern history
Turnout seems to be slightly improving, but it’s still around 60%. I get not being thrilled about either candidate, but you’re not picking a best friend, you’re pretty much picking a CEO for the country.
It’s kinda weird to get thrilled by any candidate. I like a lot of things taxes pay for, but I didn’t get excited for the act of paying taxes. Voting is just another civic duty we should all be doing.
I’m not sure where your picture came from. Or why it’s combining 2 elections a line or why it’s numbers are wrong.
But 60% for presidential years is pretty normal.
08 got a bump from Obama running, and 2020 got a bump because trump was the incumbent. 2024 will likly be above 2020 still. But that’s because compared to trump or Biden, Kamala is an amazing candidate. If we had known it would be Kamala, I think she wouldn’t get the numbers she’s about to
I don’t believe any of it swayed any votes, but I do believe it got a significant amount of people that either wouldn’t vote or wouldn’t promote a candidate to do so. From a hype and marketing viewpoint, I don’t think one could argue MAGA has not been a tremendous success for Republicans. I don’t recall a candidate of either party owning the media or having so much merch-aganda as Trump, and it’s going to hurt them when he’s gone. No one’s going to be sporting I’m going HAM for Lindsey Graham stuff.
I said in my original comment I’m all for getting in any candidate not doing the best thing. There were things I didn’t like about Biden, and there are a number of things about Kamala I’m not excited about, but that is hopefully next January’s problem.
The concept of Biden as a candidate was viable, but the man himself no longer was. The Republican average Joe that was the real mass behind the MAGA movement no longer knows what to do though now that the Lock Her Up, Sleepy Joe’s Got To Go, etc is gone. It’s not just Trump with the wind knocked out of his sails, but a lot of supporters as well. Trump spoke their language, but now he’s at a loss for words, and I’m happy to see it.
EDIT: Not me that downvoted you. I don’t downvote for disagreeing, just for misinformation or bigoted crap and you haven’t done anything like that.
No, Biden flaws made people not want to vote for him or promote him
Harris doesn’t have that baggage, so as soon as she took over people were willing to do those things for the Dem candidate.
They say the same shit about Kamala as Joe.
It’s just when they said stuff about Joe, some of it was true and what anyone could tell from his incredibly limited public appearances.
He did the lowest amount of press conferences as any president since Reagan…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/21/us/politics/biden-public-appearances-media.html
Do you really need me to tell you what common trait president Reagan and President Biden share?
The Rs fired up for Trump and the Ds bummed at Biden are 2 separate groups. Whoever minimizes the damages from their own respective group is going to come out on top. I don’t see undecideds as a factor with as divergent as both parties are. They both had sagging bases, but the Kamala swap got one group fired up, but the other side just seems caught unprepared, and that’s why polling is flipping.
Whoever doesn’t think Kamala has baggage isn’t paying attention. There’s reasons she was hardly anyone’s choice last time around, and anyone reading any articles other than the kiss up ones now is already getting a reminder of those reasons. Lemmy was full of articles about dropping the anti-death penalty stance from the platform this week, for example. But there isn’t any good to come out of beating up on her about that unless she’s elected first.
Don’t think of them as undecided.
Think of them as people unwilling to hold their nose for Biden or trump.
Change out Biden, and suddenly more people are willing to vote.
Because Biden was and is a bad candidate. He spent like 50 years trying to be president and only succeeded in a rigged primary against the literal worst president we’ve ever had when he was the incumbent.
I don’t think trump and Biden are the complete bottom of the barrel numbers for an incumbent at the end of their first term, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t bottom 5, there might be a handful of ancient (for America) history that were less popular but not in modern history
Turnout seems to be slightly improving, but it’s still around 60%. I get not being thrilled about either candidate, but you’re not picking a best friend, you’re pretty much picking a CEO for the country.
It’s kinda weird to get thrilled by any candidate. I like a lot of things taxes pay for, but I didn’t get excited for the act of paying taxes. Voting is just another civic duty we should all be doing.
Republicans get candidate they’re excited for. Dems get candidates we can hold our noses for (hopefully)
It’s a bigger reason why we still have republican presidents than the electoral college.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_elections
I’m not sure where your picture came from. Or why it’s combining 2 elections a line or why it’s numbers are wrong.
But 60% for presidential years is pretty normal.
08 got a bump from Obama running, and 2020 got a bump because trump was the incumbent. 2024 will likly be above 2020 still. But that’s because compared to trump or Biden, Kamala is an amazing candidate. If we had known it would be Kamala, I think she wouldn’t get the numbers she’s about to