Former President Donald Trump was indicted for an unprecedented third time on August 1, adding another set of serious federal charges to the mounting legal issues he faces.
Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts[1](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/elections/trump-campaign-lawsuits.html) including the Supreme Court.[2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024) Then he tried to pressure state officials.[3](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/03/trump-pressured-georgia-election-official-call-washington-post-report-says/4119948001/) He tried to pressure Pence.[4](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069)
So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? He turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;
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We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
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Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
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We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
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We will fight like hell.
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You have to get your people to fight.
He primed them for weeks.
State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.[5](https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940961602/someones-going-to-get-killed-ga-official-blasts-gop-silence-on-election-threats) Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.[6](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/12/13/black-churches-vandalized-four-stabbed-dozens-arrested-at-pro-trump-rallies-in-washington.html)
Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.[7](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-trump-supporters.html) And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.
Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.[8](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209) Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.
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New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
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BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
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Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
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Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
Thank you for continuing your hard work pk
This guy brought the receipts!
It’s PK, they only have receipts.
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Could it be? PoppinKREAM on lemmy?!
Pardon my unculturedness but who is PoppinKREAM?
He posted tons of these news roundups with citations on Reddit.
I think I heard that Poppinkream is a woman. I’m so happy to see them on Lemmy.
My understanding is that PoppinKREAM is a type of doughnut.
I thought it was what happens to popcorn when I get super horny…
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Poppinkream is on Lemmy! Good to see you here.
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Yeah, and his horrible remark about that:
'I don’t fucking care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me
Great to see you over here! So happy. Thanks for the great post.
False equivalency fallacy.
Damn, always good to see PK.
PoppinKREAM!
My “favorite” but was when he heard that some of them had weapons that were denied access, and he angrily told his staff to let the weapons into the capital, because they weren’t coming to hurt him.
Please accept this Official Lemmy Gold® for the best post I’ve seen so far on Lemmy:
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Maybe this country isn’t so lost afterall. Maybe there is still time to turn it around.
Googles wildfire map
Sigh
Wasn’t he indicted before ? What happens next ?
He was! He now has three indictments under his belt.
- New York State hush money payments
- Classified Documents Case
- January 6 Insurrection
If you ask me, now we throw a few back tonight and wait for the fourth indictment coming from Georgia this month. 😎
Is he ever going to jail or not ?
You ask me? Donny boy is royally fucked. The documents case is a few steps too far, and even a rich former president of the US will have to sit behind bars for that one. Hey SHOULD be in jail already for that one.
Georgia is interesting in that it’s pardon proof
How come?
A president can pardon federal crimes but not state crimes.
Georgia law makes pardons an option only five years after the completion of a sentence. Getting a sentence commuted would require the approval of a state panel.
Oh I see. I assume the govenor can pardon state crimes?
Not in GA
…aight so I’m fucking stupid or something and can’t figure out how to link to another user’s comment (it’s just the chain link icon literally on the comment right? …but when I click that it directs to a different comment… is this a bug or am I really just stupid?) but I don’t want to just steal this guy’s work, some I’m linking to his profile instead:
https://lemmy.world/u/jordanlund@lemmy.one
In the comments tab, do a Ctrl+F search for “you are here” and you’ll find a map of exactly what happens next in this and every other trump case.
So if he goes to federal prison, do the secret service members who are part of his detail draw straws to see who else gets to spend time being bars?
There a reasonable chance he gets house arrest or there’s some special facility built for him. Alternatively he could be kept in solitary for the entire time, but that’s starting to be considered torture.
I mean, he did ask to be tough on criminals…
Maybe, however…
The sheriff of Fulton County, Ga., said on Tuesday that if former President Donald J. Trump were to be indicted in connection with efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, he would not receive special treatment, and would be booked and photographed like any other defendant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/trump-indictment-georgia.html
So there’s hope he’d receive similar treatment from other officials.
It’s comforting to see that an ex president would still be equal before the law
We’ll make it easy on him and put him in supermax. He’ll have no security concerns whatsoever, secret service can take the rest of his life off.
He doesn’t need a detail if we put him in a concrete box!
We need to handle this carefully. I feel martyr vibes coming from all of this bullshit if he is found guilty. Maybe it’s the part of the US I live in, and the political slant of the people therein, but I see him and his supporters using this to do something even more epically stupid than trying to invade the capital.
We been fucked lol
On the other hand, if we’re afraid to prosecute insurrection leaders because of fear of resulting violence, that’s kinda definitionally terrorism (and specifically losing to the terrorists).
Honestly good.
The dipshits of the republican party are already committing acts of terror in the name of protecting insert fake concern here
Like I don’t know why we’re treating them like a volcano about to blow, it’s been blowing for years now.
I agree, but I don’t know what could be done differently? If people refuse to acknowledge a single thread of evidence that Trump tried to overturn a legitimate election, what can be done to reassure them if he’s put in prison for doing it? The options are give him a fair trial, and sentence him if found guilty or just ignore his crimes completely.
I’m not American, but I’ve been imagining a world where magas would take over Washington with guns.
I don’t want it to happen, but I see it happening. Republicans are anti government.
It would be quite entertaining, though. Not great, but still entertaining.
Heckin yeah
This is great. Actual consequences would be greater. Not crossing my fingers.
The next republican president or governor in states where he is convicted at state level will just pardon everything.
The constitution, rule of law, and will of the people means nothing to people who just want power.
This is a federal case
No it’s a clear case for increasing our education budget 😉
Trump will be barred from running, handing the election to another Republican, who will pardon Trump on day one. There, spoiled the next year and a half of American politics for you.
He can’t be barred from running. In fact even if convicted he could still be President because he’s been charged with obstruction not sedition. Not a lawyer etc, but I think it’s pretty clear.
The Republican Party could refuse to let him be the nominee but they know what would just cause him to run independent and split the right-wing vote so they’ll support him because they want power more than anything else.
You’re right.
And that sucks, because now the invisible line has been crossed not one of the parties will create laws against it happening again.
'Murica - land of the fraud, home of the deceived
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The only state crimes are the original indictments for perjury, which if you read the article, you will see those are the least compelling charges. The last two sets of indictments are from the DoJ and are considered very sound.
Georgia is about to enter the chat.
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None of these charges carry with them the barring of running for office. Sedition isn’t in the indictment.
None of this bars him from running.
I’m not sure which other Republican candidates could really step up. Aside from Trump there’s DeSantis, who seems to be imploding and I think hates Trump anyway, Chris Christie (who called him a ‘One Man Crime Wave’ lol) and most of the others I haven’t even heard of before.
But there is also Mike Pence who is truly a wild card - there’s a reasonable chance Trump literally tried to have him killed and yet he still defends him for some reason - so if anyone is bonkers enough to make it to the White House and then set Trump loose, it’d probably be him.
I find Christie refreshingly straight forward compared to most GOP turd buckets.
I just want Christie to take second place because he and Trump hate each other. Trump almost got Christie killed by inviting him to the White House even though Trump knew he had COVID and Christie ended up almost dying in the hospital because of it. And, of course, Trump hates Christie because all feelings are reciprocal when you’re Trump.
They would destroy each other and I would make popcorn.
What a dingdong he is. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I know this is a common sentiment amongst a lot of people, but the reality is he will never see prison time before he dies of old age. He will do everything in his power to draw it out and when he can’t he will flee the country
Well one can hope I suppose, hope is still free, lol.
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Big Papa Putin may not be in a position to offer him safe harbor for very much longer.
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That could be tomorrow.
I wonder though, everyone keep saying no prison because of the SS, ex-president and all, but what mecanism would actually prevent the court from going there? Like, if the judge goes for prison or death penalty, what is gonna happen exactly? What branch of the government, and who exactly would block it, assuming the judge gives no fucks?
It’s not possible for him to receive the death penalty for these charges, the max is 20 years per count. On top of that, the fed doesn’t have the death penalty anymore, as far as I understand.
That being said, it is very possible he will go to prison in some fashion. Of course he will never be with the gen pop, but just because he has an SS detail doesn’t mean he can’t go to prison. Also, it could be possible to strip him of the detail, but I’m pretty sure that will be figured out if the time comes.
Isn’t that possible if he’s judged responsible of the deaths on Jan6?
*They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. *
While that may be the explicit language for the charge, the feds don’t really tend to execute people in the modern post-Gregg era, with a notable exception: Donald Trump restarted executions from the feds when he took office. So, slight correction to my OP. I guess it would be possible, but I highly doubt the US Government would do something as drastic as executing a previous president.
On a personal level here, I am 100% against the death penalty. Even for fucks like this. What’s worse, death, or living your final years in a concrete box and dying there instead? I’d much rather people like him get lost in their own thoughts.
It was “common knowledge” that he wouldn’t ever be charged too. The Senate and Mike Pence were pissed at him because he made them look weak. That’s why no one is really defending him right now. He has so many charges that people are going to abandon him just so they don’t have to answer questions about the cases.
Remember the OJ trial? This is the former president in three courtrooms (and counting!). It’s going to make him look so guilty.
I don’t think anyone ever cared about him in the GOP, they used him as a tool, a pawn to get the presidency; he got it but still fucked it, and now they have not use for him anymore. DeSantis may be the next one. That’s my highly intellectual political analysis. Emphasis on “high”.
Problem is, he’s losing a lot of that power now. He doesn’t have many friends in high places these days, even the supreme court has done things to rule against him. I don’t doubt he’ll try to draw it out, but ultimately it’s not up to him anymore.
His Secret Service detail won’t allow that to happen.
Nobody knows more about prison than me. I’m the best inmate they ever had. They love me here. I have the best cell, the best food, the best friends. I’m very popular. The guards respect me. They know I’m innocent. The fake news media and the crooked Democrats put me here. They’re very jealous of me. They’re losers. They’re afraid of me. They know I won the election by a lot. I’m still your president. I’ll be out soon. You’ll see. It’s going to be huge.
Needs more run on sentences and spelling mistakes.
I know, also some covfefe and hamberders, for good measure. But AI can only do so much.
And followed by Don Jr and co asking people to contribute to the “take back America” fund, and if you donate over $1,000 you will get 100,000 Trump bucks
And the exchange rate of tump bucks to stanley nickels is approximately the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.
I’ll stick to unicorns.
Don’t forget the limited edition trading cards.
Can’t wait for the new set portraying the rest of his life.
This is funny right here, I don’t care who you are.
And God bless the pygmies…
Bet nothing is going to come of it, just like last time.
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We’ll see. Now he has to go to actual trial, and it’s in DC.
What do you mean “just like last time?” That hasn’t even gone to trial yet.
Maybe they mean the impeachment trial, but if so that’s a bad take.
The last time he was indicted? This is the 3rd time.
do you know how the courts work here? Indictment is pne of the very first steps.then comes all the pretrial stuff, where we are at now with trumps charges. And then comes the actual trial.
People have been trained by TV to think justice is swift.
Correct. “The last time he was indicted” hasn’t come to a resolution yet, nor will it until at least next year. Saying nothing came of it is a dumbass take, to put it gently.
How long has it been? Honestly, if anything were to happen, it would’ve happened already.
So you don’t follow the news at all?
Wrong, please learn how long court timelines are before continuing discussing these matters you clearly aren’t familiar with
Courts are absurdly slow, and it’s probably creeping into human rights violation levels for low priority cases. People have admitted to pleading guilty to just move on as they served a majority of their potential time in prison waiting for the trial
You’re just objectively wrong…
Huh? Have you never seen anything about how the court system works?
Biden will pardon him to avoid a civil war with the MAG-GOTS. But I’m just waiting for him to actually go to jail.
I highly doubt that Biden would do that lol
P. S.
Really glad you are not making the law here.
When he is behind bars then I’ll celebrate. Until then. The battle for our democracy continues….
It’ll be ~5 years before all appeals are exhausted. I’d be shocked to see that he ever eats a final conviction, and any Republican president will pardon him, living or dead.
And, even if he is convicted and not pardoned, the functional challenges of managing Secret Service protection in a white-collar prison would be daunting, not to mention that his SS detail seems to have been easily corrupted to lie for him. The SS leadership, a locus of supreme bootlickers, would likely tell an inquiring judge that it’s too difficult to protect him in any penal institution for white-collar criminals, which will force the court to choose house arrest at most.
So, it’s probable that he’ll never serve a day in jail or prison.
Lots of rich people convince judges they aren’t safe in prison without the help of the Secret Service. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump could get house arrest instead of prison even without being reelected.
What’s the penalty for treason?
We’re not in a declared war.
No, maybe not a US declared war. That being said, North Korea seems pretty happy to shout death threats at you guys.
If I was living in the US, I don’t think that I would want those guys to have any top-secret information that could effect the country I lived in.
To clarify: treason requires a declared war against an external entity. Sedition is what Trump did.
It’s ok, he was probably only selling info to the Saudis, not the North Koreans.
And it’s not like Saudi Arabia ever attacked the U.S., right? Right?
We were on Jan 6th.
Right, but that is sedition, not treason.
Also there is a VERY high chance he just straight up dies before he goes to prison, or even before the court date. Which might be the worst possible scenario, as the right wing crazies will go fucking ballistic with conspiracy theories blaming the deep state or the clintons or whoever the current boogeyman is and we will literally never hear the end of it
Agreed.
This will amount to nothing, just like all the rest.
Even after he is behind bars. Crazy as it sounds, he can run for President from prison.
Not very effectively, but he can run.
Might depend on why he’s there.
How does that work if he wins?
If he wins, he pardons himself from federal crimes then uses his powers as Commander in Chief to break himself out of prison for state crimes, thereby creating the ultimate constitutional crisis and tearing the country apart.
Whether or not he can pardon himself is up for debate. So if the founding fathers intended that you can assume office from prison there would be a more defined method.
Or we need to admit that the founding fathers may not have predicted literally every possible circumstance to arise in the future hundreds of years.
This isn’t a new modern invention. The election process is pretty well defined.
Fuck the founding fathers, coming straight from the underground.
It was intentional that you can run and be elected as president from prison. It’s written about contemporaneously. They knew the risk of allowing a president, or administration, jailing their political opponents.
What’s not clear is if it was meant for a president to be able to pardon themselves. I personally would think not, but many think it’s permissable.
So what happens to the prison sentence?
Hopfully the server running just crashes and reboots
One presidential candidate got 3.4% (more than all 3rd party candidates in 2020 combined) of the vote (over 1million votes) as a third party candidate while in prison in 1920.
Felons can’t vote, but they can run?
It makes sense though. Think about it like this, A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges. Trump could have placed a more loyal attorney general, nailed Biden on some bullshit petty offense that technically qualifies as a felony, and have his name removed from the ballot shortly before the election. Allowing felons to run for president defangs that particular power move. To disqualify someone the 14th amendment would have to be invoked, and should be in Trump’s case.
While I do see the validity of this argument, it still feels like treating the symptoms rather than the cause. If the fear is a sitting president welding his personal power to imprison (and thus disqualify) a political rival, isn’t the bigger problem that a sitting president has the power to do this in the first place?
The Justice Department has to be able to indict people, that’s part of its function. And the DoJ is part of the executive branch. A good President will not use the DoJ for his personal political purposes, but the incentive to do so, if it was there, would be extremely powerful. I think it’s probably a good idea to remove it. If the people can’t be trusted not to vote for a criminal or a traitor, we have bigger problems.
A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges
It’s how Putin and other despots have been doing it for a very long time.
The Government doesn’t want you to know about this one trick!
I’ve heard the logic is to prevent people from wanting to retroactively legalize shit to secure votes from felons, which doesn’t make a lot of sense tbh
Eugene V Debs. The best president the US never had.
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I kinda cried reading these.
Who is this
Eugene V Debs, a communist that ran for US president from his prison cell, securing 3.4% of the vote. Also the former state representative of Indiana.
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we’d still be sending our kids to work instead of school.
We are. They’re letting 14 year olds bar tend in Wisconsin and McDonalds in Arkansas has been busted for employing 12 year olds. Several states are actively bringing back child labor.
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One of the few upsides of my living in Terre Haute, Indiana is that I can say I live in the same town Debs was from. They have a nice museum here dedicated to him in his former home. If you’re passing through Indiana, I do recommend an hour or two to see it. Bernie Sanders made sure to stop there during his 2016 campaign, if you need an endorsement.
man I want that as a tattoo now
Weird. I’ve heard of Americans losing their right to vote when imprisoned and yet they could run for office?
Probably just an overlooked aspect, it woulf be too much of a pain to run for office while im prison. Even for a lot of the rich and powerful.
