I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

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    antifa

    Yeah, the famous antifa-tankers. Every single person I’ve ever seen that identifies as antifa was a tanker. Other people run away from that label.

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      I really hate that I need to point this out, because I feel like it will derail the discussion from Hexbear to fascism:

      “Antifa” boils down to “people who actively oppose fascism”, instead of either supporting it or sitting on their hands while doing jack shit.

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          I highly recommend you give Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism and On Authority a read. At least On Authority, as it’s a very short piece, but the two combined should give you a basic understanding of the historical and theoretical basis of why marxists defend the use of authority. I can understand where you are coming from, I was more than a little skeptical of authoritarianism when I was younger and still identified as an anarchist, but I think if you take the time to honestly engage with our position then you will at least understand why our stance is what it is, and how we are diametrically opposed to fascism, even if you don’t agree with us.

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          Plenty HB users are authoritarian. I disagree with them in this; however I don’t think that both things cancel out, given the fascism is orders of magnitude worse than authoritarianism alone.

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              Yeah, because saying “cat shit is not as huge as elephant shit” is the same as saying “cat shit is not shit”. /s

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                Liberalism in the center? Gosh, this is the most American political coordinates there could be

                It’s almost physically triggering how off-base that is

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                    The point is that it skews the understanding of “left” and “right” to favor the latter.

                    Essentially serving as a tool to claim socialist policies extreme and liberal ones perfectly balanced.

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        Is there something in the name requiring people to support fascism if it wears the right color?

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          Is there something in the name requiring people to support fascism if it wears the right color?

          Do some people fighting fascism (aka antifa) go overboard? Yes, certainly; that’s bound to happen with any movement, group, or cohort.

          For example, someone might miss the target due to witch hunting, or adopt an “ends always justify means” mindset, or even conflate “non-suporter = enemy”.

          However. By implying that “antifa is fascism wearing a different colour”, like you are doing, you’re showing to not understand the obvious difference between

          • individuals following an ideology grounded on xenophobia, nationalism, racism, militarism, censorship, suppression of your individuality by force, more often than not sexism, homophobia and transphobia; and
          • individuals who don’t want the shit above to transform their lives into living hells, including some willing to use force to fight back.

          This conflation between both groups is not just immoral. It’s worse - it stinks stupidity and similar filth from a distance. As such I’m not wasting my time further with you, go chew some grass.

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      Maybe you’re telling on yourself by announcing your disdain for antifascists

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      Most antifa groups are anarchist collectives. So I’m not sure where you’re seeing this, unless it’s solely from people that are terminally online.

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        Organized anti-fascist groups often have a mix of left ideological backgrounds, but are mostly anarchists and communists. We work together when it comes to physical defense, barricades, etc.

        e.g. many people in black bloc are Maoists even though outsiders tend to assume they are all anarchists.