• GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      No we don’t. That’s simply not how diplomacy works first of all and it’s a massive mischaraterization of the Canadian, we are essentially if Minnesota was a country. We are neither frank nor open and we don’t discuss anything.

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    China negotiates with all countries as equals: equals in dignity, equals in intellect. For the united states, this is upsetting, because they expect deference and recognition of their superiority, but you can see China hold this same mindset even when negotiating with countries much poorer and less powerful than them, like Uganda or Canada; The best American diplomats have been able to grasp this fact, and have productive negotiations.

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      Trudeau is not an equal to Xi. Trudeau is not head of state and they broke their rules to have Xi meet with him in the first place.

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        Hadn’t heard that China’s reciprocity doesn’t discriminate between presidential and parliamentary systems… tbh, I’m not sure what purpose it would serve is Xi met with the Governor General instead

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    An important piece of context here is that Xi usually only meets heads of state. Trudeau is not the head of state of Canada, the monarch is.

    They bent the rules to have Xi meet with him and they fucked around and leaked it all. Say whatever you want about the queen when she was still alive she wouldn’t have leaked the contents of a meeting. Heads of state speaking to heads of state has to exist on a level of trust and this dude is such a fucking rat without respect that he couldn’t do the bare minimum.

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      From a purely technical perspective you’re right. But in reality the british crown does not negotiate for Canada. Canada is essentially sovereign but maintains some more or less ceremonial ties to the british crown.

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        It’s not ceremonial. The Crown legally owns 89% of Canadian land. She (her representative) holds the power to appoint government and to dissolve it entirely. The Governor General is appointed by the monarch and also has the power to add up to 8 additional senators of their choice.

        More importantly, they can dismiss any sitting leader they want to. This power was the one used in Australia when Whitlam was removed, which is colloquially referred to here on Hexbear as the time Australia was couped by the CIA.

        These things are played down and scoffed about as “ceremonial” because they are rarely used powers. But they ARE powers, very very strong ones.

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          Alright well the fact remains that the british crown doesn’t negotiate trade deals or anything else on behalf of Canada, the Canadian government does all of that itself. This objection to Trudeau meeting Xi because he’s not the “real leader” is just pedantry. Yes the british crown maybe might be able to pull some power move but that’s not how things operate routinely.

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      An important piece of context here is that Xi usually only meets heads of state.

      I don’t think this is true, XJP regularly meets with heads of government. Plus the governor general for Canada is basically the pseudo head of state (and does do all the state visits and so forth that you’d expect).

      An interesting tangent is that most Commonwealth countries have murky definitions of their head of state and in many cases not clear whether the governor general or monarch is the actual head of state. This gets extra silly for somewhere like Australia, where the federal representative of the monarch is the governor general, but this position does not represent the monarch for Australian states - who each have their own connection to the monarchy and their own representative.

      The Queen would definitely have leaked it, just in a way that it wasn’t traced back to the Queen so the brits can keep pretending that their monarchy isn’t deeply involved in politics.

      Anyway Trudeau is a piece of shit and another L is unsurprising

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        I don’t think this is true, XJP regularly meets with heads of government. Plus the governor general for Canada is basically the pseudo head of state (and does do all the state visits and so forth that you’d expect).

        China’s policy was always for only equal positions in government to meet. Xi is head of state, Trudeau is not, it was an exception at the time that was made for meeting.

        This is also why Xi will not meet with Blinken despite the US requesting it multiple times, and instead Blinken is made to meet with Wang Yi instead.

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          But XJP has met various Australian PMs a bunch of times, he met with Meloni ~a month ago, Modi goes to BRICS and not the head of state, etc

          With Blinken I thought that was a specific set of circumstances - they didn’t meet until after Xi had a meeting with Biden in San Francisco last year (and then Blinken did meet with Xi earlier this year in China).

          Actually I checked and I must be misremembering, because Blinken met with Xi earlier in 2023 as well, before the San Francisco meeting?

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      yep, and trudeau’s body language is like a little kid who knows he did some shit he isn’t supposed to do but knows his mom (america) will protect him. “my mom said i’m allowed to call you the f-word so i wont get in trouble”

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    Chrétien being far and away the best pm in my lifetime is sad. At least he called Bush Jr a moron and his political scandals were low key and really really funny.

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    Yep absolute cinema, the good old days of… checks notes 2022. lol That the China we needed more of, it was moments like this that gave me the impression China was going to be a lot more adversarial going forward compared to the reality of what actually happened since then.

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      china owns the west in the global scheme of things, it doesn’t need to be directly adversarial the way the west does to ‘enemy nations’. china is just on its chad shit rn