#quietpartoutloud
“Many of them murdered far more than one person,” Trump declared. “A murderer, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now.”
And he will still be normalized as a presidential candidate by this evenings news and by the country on election day.
I guess it’s that time of day to come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
FYI, I’m not ok with this. Tho’ I’m glad he’s saying the ‘quiet part out loud’, so that there can be no question on the importance of voting him and the rest of the GOP down in this election.
I would have agreed with you in 2016 but if the last 8 years has shown me anything it’s that Trump is normalizing the worst of people. He keeps saying the quiet part out loud till the right is screaming it
The Overton Window is a thing.
Shameful.
I guess it’s that time of day to come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
A relatively small subset of people are okay with this as long as it continues to keep them in power and make them rich, another small subset of people are okay with this as long as it continues to be targeted exclusively at people they don’t like, and a relatively large subset of people are victims of propaganda and media saturation. Let’s put the blame where it belongs.
I don’t know if it’s a relatively small subset when there’s a fair chance he might be elected if people don’t go vote, or vote for a third party candidate.
Most of the people who vote for him will never be informed about the most appalling and repulsive things he says, because all their news comes filtered through media streams that are designed to prop up the conservative candidate, no matter who, and to discredit the facts that makes that candidate look bad.
But even if everyone who voted for him knew he said these things, they would still be the minority of Americans, because he lost the popular vote in 2016.
I’m not surprised. That’s how one of my best friends became an Andrew Tate and conservative supporter. YouTube algorithms got to him with these videos of cherry picked clips with comments from other supporters and his cohort of fraudulent assholes.
I’m not surprised. That’s how one of my best friends became an Andrew Tate and conservative supporter. YouTube algorithms got to him with these videos of cherry picked clips with comments from other supporters and his cohort of fraudulent assholes.
That would be the large subset who are victims of propaganda. I refuse to believe that such a large percentage of the country would actually be as awful as they seem if it wasn’t for the propaganda machine doing its thing.
Lol, they buy into the propaganda because it aligns with their beliefs. They aren’t victims of blatant racist shit like this.
Victims of the taxes too high propaganda, sure. But not this.
… unless you’re saying it’s in their genes to be racist, then something convinced them that racism is correct. And that thing is a mixture of parents’ teaching and propaganda. And the parents got it from propaganda and their parents, etc.
It is how they were raised and their life experiences that influence their worldview. But as adults, they should have learned better.
Willful ignorance is their own fault.
It’s like you two are the argument that I have going on on my own head about this topic. Snooggums is my pessimistic side.
Trump is currently controlling the largest cult outside of religion in the US. His core is going to take a long time to deprogram enough to return to society when he finally stops getting a platform to mobilize them all. Some of them were awful people before Trump, but so many everyday people got pulled into the cult through Fox or Facebook or Twitter and their conditioning keeps them loyal.
I think contrary to at least some cult leaders, Trump has nothing but absolute disgust for his followers, and uses them solely to get him power and to grift so he can afford to keep the machine of hate going.
You’d be surprised how our system turns people into sociopaths. It enables them and even rewards them.
Just look at the richest people in our society and how most of them have sociopathic tendencies. They lack empathy.
Empathy is a disqualifier.
You can talk about the reasons voters might be tricked, incentivized, propagandized, etc. into voting for Trump but at the end of the day they are making the decision to support this kind of thing of their own free will. Placing the blame somewhere else is easy. The hard part is coming to terms with the fact that the fundamental problem is not a shady group of billionaires gaming the system but rather a population too dumb and lazy to see those actions for what they are. That problem isn’t going away even if we get rid of all billionaires and enforce stricter truthfulness in broadcasting laws.
I’m not denying it would get easier to manage if did those things but we have to recognize that the people you’re talking about are willing participants in this and not just victims being taken advantage of.
You’re not wrong. I’m sure some of the Germans who voted for Hitler and perpetrated horrors for the Nazi regime were misled and propagandized.
But they were still Nazis and still committed a genocide.
We’re going to have to do the same work Germany did with de-Nazification.
NYT tomorrow: “Harris under fire for [placeholder] after controversial Trump radio interview”
The US has always been okay with this. They don’t teach this in school. But they should. The United States was one of the biggest inspirations to the Nazis. From the Jim crow south beating, jailing, and suppressing their unternensch. To the fabulously wealthy capitalists practicing eugenics on their untermensch. Literally, the only slight new take the Nazis had. Was the fantasy ayrian precursors.
Hell even lemmy’s perpetual good boys. Well if you’re talking too ML or tankies. Had a very cozy working relationship with Hitler. Invading Poland. Even when they broke it off. Stalin went on to massacre thousands of ethnically polish citizens within Soviet borders.
None of these groups ever really had any repercussions from this. One of the big reasons the Nazis failed was Japan’s attack on Pearl harbor. Which finally tipped things from the American fascists quiet support of Hitler with public calls for isolationism. Turning away boats of Jewish refugees. Combined with the discovery of the death camps. Without those things, the US would have stayed out while continuing to support Hitler. But IBM never faced repercussions for helping Hitler catalog and track Jews on the way to slaughter. DuPont was never held responsible for making and supplying the gas to Hitler to slaughter the Jews. Our fascists simply bid their time. Russia going from authoritarian to fascist authoritarian government today. With our fascist capitalists slowly dismantling our democracy over the last 100 years. Only some fascists lost WWII.
Exactly, thank you for the great response.
If they want to look for these “bad genes”, all the Republicans have to do is look in a mirror.
The majority of us most certainly are NOT; the sane ones are just underrepresented in our archaic voting system.
I guess it’s that time of day to come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
Absolutely fucking not!
It is literally a matter of life and death that we not only stay mad about this, but get a Hell of a lot madder than we already are!
Where’s Edward R. Murrow when you need him?
come to grips that the USA is ok with this.
“This” is what happens when a society has no hope. A brutal side effect of economic policy and fleecing of the population over the past 30 years. People turn to religion and strong men for succour. They are swayed by bullshit and manipulated to serve the interests of the powerful.
It is almost like he is a Nazi.
Nazis were big fans of American eugenics advocates.
I do Nazi what you’re talking about… Might I interest you in a MyPillow for the low low price of $14.88?
I wish it were \s :,(
Wow, that type of wordplay is just uncalled for Anne Frankly, I won’t stand for it.
NYT: “Did Trump say immigrants have ‘bad genes’? MOSTLY FALSE. Trump was actually critiquing immigrants’ choice in denim jeans.”
Lol
He didn’t say murder was in the genes, he said your ass looks killer in those jeans!
Ahh, so he must be a big time jeans traditionalist. Blue or bust.
Explains why he keeps muttering under his breath about the black and brown jeans in this country. It all makes sense now.
Wow! The year is 2024, and the Republican candidate is running his platform on genetic cleansing. I did not-see this coming, who could have possibly predicted it?
We knew it. We said it. Its plain as day and the news media will ignore it. The pundits will walk it back. The public will defend it. And we will be Christo-fascists.
You mean White Nationalist Christo-fascists?
Pretty much. I’d rather a revolution break out then see this NAZI be president again.
And half the planet will die as a result, either through genocide or nuclear escalation
The thing is though, his base of white xenophobic cornfed redneck inbred ignoramuses will love him all the more for it. And that’s a good 40% of the US population.
Crazy, right? Always has been, too.
He says this kind of crap literally every day. Didn’t he say Harris voters would be in danger like, literally yesterday? It’s not “stunning” anyone anymore, we’re just supposed to act like people in power actually care that he’s a xenophobic, narcissistic fascist. Headlines like this are supposed to comfort us into believing that those with power are actually stunned or upset by what he said. Every day? For eight+ years? Get the fuck out of here.
Won’t someone please think of our leaders’ pearls.
It’s better to have it reported than for us all to be normalized to a potential president wholeheartedly adopting fascist language.
It’d be better if a pearl clutcher passed a law or something, but with half of them frothing at the chance to turn on their own constituents…
Reporting on it just fans the flames, generates the drama he needs to stay at the forefront of the news cycle. Can Harris generate that kind of chatter with sensible talk about realistic proposals? This dispirits Dem voters, while emboldening his base who laugh behind their hand at Trump’s boorish political incorrectness. Jester’s Privilege. He has never suffered any consequences for anything he’s said.
It’s so sad so many will brush this off.
I cant be more ashamed then I am of my fellow country men. I knew shit was wrong growing up. I did my best to stay out of their way but to see it so clearly in their politics I just can’t anymore. Americans are a ravenous people. We harbor them. We protect them. That is what we are.
Eugenics getting freely discussed by a presidential candidate. Shame on me. Shame on all of us.
It’s nice to hear when someone realizes that Trump is not the problem, he’s the symptom incurred by a mental disease that so many people seem to have.
Many of us are plagued with the “not us” syndrome. They hear about the awful events that shape our history and say, “not us, not here, we are better.” Deep down we have to believe that but when you become so delusional that all you can say when faced with any truth about the world around you is “not us” you’ve got a problem.
He’s both.
he’s the symptom incurred by a mental disease that so many people seem to have.
It’s basically a new religion, right? If this what fills the vacuum when we let go of the old religions… Is it an improvement? It certainly makes me want to be less critical of your average Christian/Jew/Muslim/Flying Spaghetti Monster worshipper.
Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there’ll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?
In fifty years’, thirty years’, ten years’ time the world will be very nearly back on its old course. History always has a great weight of inertia.
-Sir Terry Pratchett
Damn, it sounds like he’s implying that we need to get rid of evangelical Christians - the largest crime committing block in America.
(Obviously we shouldn’t get rid of any group based on such broad generalizations - he’s a fucking asshole).
evangelical Christians - the largest crime committing block in America
Wow, really? Do you have a link?
I’m assuming they mean that Christians make up a huge percentage of the US, so therefore they probably make up a large percentage of criminals. I’d be interested if evangelical Christians now make up the majority of Christians.
This is the closest thing to a study on religion in prison I’ve ever found and the prisoner statistics are obscured by whether chaplains considered them extremist - the clearest piece of data is that 44% of chaplains (a plurality of them) are evangelicals. It’s a really shaky statistic though so I wouldn’t draw on it outside of dunking on idiocy from the GOP
Study: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/03/22/prison-chaplains-exec/
I don’t fucking get the right.
“Evolution is evil it says we’re monkeys!”
“Genetics means we can have better blood lines!”
Both statements are based on complete and total misunderstanding of evolutionary biology.
In case anyone isn’t getting it he’s calling for racial cleansing.
Oh, I think he’s just saying it plainly now.
I think it’s pretty plain to you and I, but I doubt the folks at your local GOP meeting are going to hear it that way.
I think using the actual words could help.
Harris campaign needs to put this on blast. If the Latin voter segment is sliding as they say, then this should be a wakeup call.
Weird for a man such as Trump to equate crime with bad genes. How many felonies does he have again? It’d be interesting to see how this guy would have turned out if he was born poor
Well, his dad was a nazi too, so maybe he thinks it’s his genes that made him this way.
Oh, I know. He must be talking about the bad genes of Elon Musk and the family history of labor abuse under apartheid and incest.
It’s very funny that eugenicists always look inbred and disgusting
Like the well-bred Hapsburgs!
You will respect the girth of their chins.
The great irony of eugenics is that the only real measure of the long-term health of a population is its genetic diversity, which leads to the exact opposite conclusion of eugenics. If you want your “race” to survive and thrive, you should interbreed with other races, not try to cull and “purify” your own. There’s no such thing as good or bad genes, because that depends on the environment which is constantly changing. Eugenics is just wrong in every possible sense of that word.
Remember when the right said comparisons to Hitler were unfair or inaccurate?
Then the news media whimpered away with their tale between their legs. Wouldn’t want to offend a NAZI.
The Orange POS Nazi is copying 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s Germany.
Can’t wait for 1945!
Not sure much of the human race (or many other land species) could survive a rerun’s impact on the environment.
Eugenics has its roots in the US.
I didn’t realize the US was older than ancient Rome 🤭
I see your Rome and raise with Sparta. Yes this brand of stupidity has been going since well before the colonization of North America by Europeans. A more nuanced comment would have discussed how much of nazi germanys eugenics was based on american eugenics of the time as others have done in this thread.
I can’t believe we’ve got a 50% chance that this racist motherfucker is going to be the next president.
Is history repeating itself this blatantly? And the people who are voting for him still believe they are morally correct.
The Greatest Generation is shaking their heads in sadness. Time to break out the unfortunately timeless short,
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Your link be broken
I changed it to the National Archive version, a better choice.
Nazis believed they were morally correct too. When a person believes firmly in their own moral correctness, it’s a red flag.
I know right, I was hopping I would at least be old before history repeated itself.
Bents knees
Wait a minute…
