cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601

“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

  • sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
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    The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake “leaks” as well, and pretend to be “upset”. As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.

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      yeah it couldn’t possibly be that international relations in the highly contentious middle east make the problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides that the players are ideologically driven maniacs who will never accept any form of compromise because without the unwavering support of their hardcore adherents they won’t remain in power.

      I’M SURE THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT.

      You know if these assholes - both sides - would stop listening to their imaginary friends and look at the reality on the ground, we might have a chance.

      As is, we’re fucked until one of these gaggles of idiots sets off a nuclear war.

      but mmm yeah blame both sides, you’re just looking at both sides on the wrong side of the fucking planet.

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        If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature you have absolutely no clue what’s going on. The state of Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine land for decades. They have concentration camps filled with Palestinians where they commit rape and torture.

        Palestinians are fighting for freedom from oppression, they are not fighting for religious beliefs.

        Biden and the American government have been supplying a terrorist state with weapons as they actively commit a genocide. That’s why people are pissed. Biden is literally giving weapons to a fucking war criminal.

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          If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature

          I argue it couldn’t happen WITHOUT the influence of monotheistic madness.

          Pray tell, without the religious fervor on all sides, how long would any of it last? for fucks sake, be realistic

          edit: and your thesis, that Palestine is fighting a purely secular battle - is absolutely absurd. Explain the atrocities on oct 6 without theology, it doesn’t make you seem better, it’s damning.

          ffs people, stop with the silly fucking excuses

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            You’re building a straw man, you’re the one asserting that religion is solely to blame when it’s just a tool that’s being applied as part of a larger more complex problem.

            This situation could just as easily have a secular socialist resistance fighting the colonizer, similar to some of the Kurdish resistance groups fighting ISIS and in Syria.

            The reason for the conflict is that a colonizing state operating an apartheid government is committing genocide on the people living there to expand their control and territory. Illegal settlements aren’t there because of Judaism they’re there because of imperialism.

            Religion is being exploited on both sides as an excuse and to motivate the people, but it’s not the root cause.

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        the west has nothing to do with it they just simply set up the settler colonial apartheid state and gave it infinite weapons and constantly protect it from any retaliation.

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            mojofrododojo, You should do some reading about how and why Hamas was formed. It was formed with Israeli and Russian help to fight the PLO and the two state solution mandated by the UN. It was initially formed to be nonreligious but Israel insisted it be religious.

            "…Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

            “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”"

            https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

            This was always about shattering Palestine, taking their land, and using the vagaries of religious conflict as an excuse no one would dig too hard on.

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              lol I’ve been reading about Palestinian history for decades. you schmucks bought the british bullshit about the land being yours. and instead of cohabitating in peace, each side chose to murder people. over and over again. you build a settlement, they blow something up, you burn down their farms, they assassinate somebody. it never ends because both sides are certain god is with them.

              it will never end as long as both sides keep listening to their invisible friends.

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            They also wear shoes maybe the shoes are to blame.

            As it always was and always has been, religion is used as a tool and an excuse but it’s not the root cause.

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        You fall right into that “pick a side and get in line to accept whatever their consultants want or get bribed to do” fallacy. If every Dem had pressured the dem leadership by voting uncommitted, the dem leadership would have known they were going to lose and changed course. But people like yourself take whatever slop falls on the floor and call that dogs dinner enough of a democracy. Thats Pathetic.

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          feel free to vote for Trump if you think that’s better. Or there’s always Jill Stein.

          Meanwhile, in reality, you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark, that’ll improve things IMMENSELY.

          Glowingly pathetic.

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            you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark

            wow thats insightful mojofrododojo, yes–its obviously Jill Stein voters and progressives who are to blame for the war in the middle east. Dont forget the youth as well, those scumbags.

            /s

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              oh you see a peace coming any time soon?

              explain it to me then. how do you de-escalate? israel wants to kill as many as they can in palestine, gaza, hell now lebanon, 40k+ dead, how do you get people to stand down after that?

              pffttt… wake up child.

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                Israel? One way or another, by sanctions, threats, politics, or actual boots on the ground, they have to be countered by force. That means a French/Spanish/Turkish (or someone else, but it almost has to include the French) contingent a few miles in from the Lebanese/Israeli border with their guns pointed in Israels directions and orders to fire if they are fired upon. And submarines ready to fire as well. And then a blockade by allied countries with a demand that the Israelis stop the murdering and land grabbing. I dont think the US would fire on the French. And once a credible force was in play, some of the middle east might consider an oil embargo to help. The Egyptians wont take up arms, but they might be persuaded to close the Suez to axis (the Israelis and their allies) ships.

                Visas to citizens of Axis countries has to be curtailed as well for American citizens to wake up. That will be difficult but possible. Cut off Europe as a holiday destination and Americans will notice.

                Whats your solution, just keep giving Israel whatever they want and deal with the refugees from the area? Or just let the goyim all die? I bet you have no plan at all and just exist here to troll. Lets see.

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                  nothing is going to change as long as each side is letting their holy ideals lead them into war.

                  both sides.

                  but get rid of bibi tho, that’s a first for any progress.

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                    Yes, I’m sure the forced displacement of 700,000 people and the very reason they keep saying they are fighting has nothing to do with it, and its all because of religion. Thats a nice neat reaosn you can tie up with a bow. cool.

                    Say, do you know why Osama said he attacked the world trade center?

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        problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides

        No actually, its the nakba. Its always been about the nakba and the murders done because of it. For 800 years of the existsnce of the ottoman empire the jews and muslims got along perfectly well in the middle east, and that ended when the ottoman empire was disolved after WW2… So history shows us your idea isnt true.

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          yeah that explains everything. so why did religion hold so solidly through the ottoman empire then fall apart after it’s stability left?

          why did the sunnis and shiites start murdering each other after saddam ran?

          maybe without some very powerful base to threaten both sides into compliance, they can’t help but murder each other. because their religion commands it.

          the UK sold palestine twice. once to the Palestinians and then to the zionists.

          and those two couldn’t fucking make a paradise out of it, no, they had to start killing each other immediately.