cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601
“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”
Reads like a bloody Onion article.
Can we stop reporting on Biden or whoever else using salty language unless it’s something along the lines of “I’m cutting off the fucking military aid.”?
That won’t happen, both parties are bought out by AIPAC, just AIPAC will stop splitting the money and give it only to the one who doesn’t give them what they want. If a Democrat president said “I’m ending this here, enough bloodshed” AIPAC would fund the Republicans, despite how much Republicans hate Jews, quietly and publicly.
I’m not trying to defend the literal actual genocide, I’m trying to say the money makes them keep their hands flowing with greenbacks and blood of civilians.
EDIT: The two below, I blocked you before two for being liberals who have defended genocide and argue that somehow Democrats need to support the genocide and its a good thing that AIPAC owns both parties. Mainly soup is a troll who acts smarter than everyone else.
I think there’s a much more lively audience who’s votes could be won with the simple free act of stopping weapons sales to Israel or banning their use on civilian infrastructure.
Blinken does this to Ukraine on a regular basis literally to avoid escalation, to the point of absurdity like not letting Ukraine strike Russian military bases where glide bombs are being launched from…
…but somehow this administration is dumbfounded about how we can curtail Israel from blowing up ambulances and orphanages?
I think there’s a much more lively audience who’s votes could be won with the simple free act of stopping weapons sales to Israel or banning their use on civilian infrastructure.
The issue is that lively audience is mostly made up of those folks commonly known as “the poors”, and therefore their opinion doesn’t matter.
This is exactly the fact they never want to hear, and instantly ignore, then forget the moment you bring it up.
said Biden privately
You literally just gave a fucking press conference.
I don’t know how he would ever have expected anything different from Netanyahu. It’s not like this is the first time he failed to show the “restraint” Biden pleaded for (while simultaneously providing him with an unlimited supply of weapons).
This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.
In a trenchcoat, naked, flashing children in a schoolyard, yes.
The logical conclusion in the face of Biden’s other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this “leak” is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden’s team.
By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.
Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.
You’re leveraging ‘about as’ pretty heavily here.
There is no real different between two kind of shameless liars covering up mass murder of children.
One might even say Netanyahu is at times less dishonest (if one could measure “honesty” at such infinitesimal levels) because he’s more open about his murderous intentions.
Biden on the other hand is a full blown hypocrite who claims to want to stop Netanyahu whilst knowingly sending him the very 2000lb bombs used in residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon, a kind which the US Military itself does not use because its collateral damage is too massive.
They’re both sociopaths, it’s just that while Netanyahu is playing a “strong man” character whilst Biden plays the “powerless to act gentleman”, and many in more modern nations don’t recognized the shameless lying under the latter style as easily as they do under the former.
Why does Biden need PR when he’s a lame duck?
Cause his VP isn’t.
His VP can come out and voice her disagreement with his actions, distancing herself from him and those actions.
It’s the simplest solution by far.
Not doing so and instead having the party loyalists go around raging at any who criticize Biden’s complicity in Genocide, is not the simplest solution.
And yet here we are, with the tribalists piling up on any criticism online instead of Kamala Harris simply voicing her disagreement with Biden’s policies.
One wonders why exactly the chosen option is not the simplest and most likely to lead to a Trump defeat.
Lol. All this is performance anyway. If Harris voiced her disagreement with Biden, the right wing media would have a field day with how disorganized the Dems are and how they can’t be trusted to lead.
The “right wing media” (what I would call the far-right media here in Europe) will say pretty anything quite independently of it being true or not. They’ve relentlessly been making shit up about Democrats and will keep on doing so.
The people who believe the “right wing media” are never going to vote for Kamala because they already believe a massive pile of unbelievable bollocks about her.
“The right wing media will say” isn’t quite the powerful argument that you think it is for the future POTUS to keep her association with an unrepentant Genocide enabler and supporter.
I’m explaining their rational for the theater. Not mine.
Living in fear of right wing bullying is not productive. We can either cower or we can kick them in the face or ridicule them when they go low. The dems do far too much cowering the past few decades. Americans love a good snappy comeback, and so far all we have doing it is old coach Waltz.
Because his abysmal approval ratings bring Harris’s down too. Harris has never been good at formulating any statement of her own principles-- even back when she was running for president against Biden, she had no platform, just bromides that polled well. She’s a cardboard cutout.
Yes exactly, everyone should stay home instead of voting so Trump wins.
Or rank and file dems should grow the courage of their convictions and organize to stop allowing the dem centrists to take the zionist campaign money. Polls show most Americans dont support The zionists colonization and their associated war crimes.
When did they say that exactly?
They’re trying to discourage progressives which could easily make them stay home and let Trump win.
You assume too much.
I simply have principles and won’t just stand quiet in the face of evildoing, no matter what the excuse.
As I pointed out multiple times before, the simplest thing is for one man, Joe Biden, to change the way he acts, not for millions to close their eyes and swallow their principles (or for thousands of useful idiots to come out and defend his indefensible actions, making themselves accomplices along with him in the mass murder of children).
In 10 or 20 years’ time, when the full form of this Holocaust is known, I will know I was always on the right side and you and those like you will be trying to forget how you tainted your hands with the blood of children, protecting Biden from being forced to not help murder them anymore.
I’ll leave you with a thought: do you think the bombing of residential neighborhoods in Beirut with 2000lb bombs sent from the US (which the US Military refuses to use because the collateral damage is too great) which has killed countless civilians including children, would have happened without the useful idiots and tribalists having spend the last year doggedly defending of Biden allowing him to send ever more and more dangerous weapons to Israel? To you really think the chain of events that has resulted in Israel extending the war to Lebanon would’ve still happened if there was a massive outcry against Joe Biden and the Democrats 6 months ago, well before the election?
Glad to see people with a spine piping up on this website. I’m so fucking tired of the “non voters help Trump win” narrative. It’s so fucking pathetic.
Eh, non-voters in some states could help Trump win, but it’s hardly a universal thing. My bigger issue with this sort of rhetoric is that criticizing absolutely reprehensible policies advanced by the Democrats does not equal endorsing Trump, as many Zionist shills here like to claim. I want to be able to unreservedly back Democratic candidates in the upcoming elections, but “enables and supports genocide and the massacre of civilian men, women and children,” is one hell of a reservation to make your voters have.
Yeah I understand Trump has a better chance of winning if less people vote for Harris. My point is that instead of blaming voters for not wanting to vote for dems people need to blame the dems for not being worth voting for.
I’m afraid it doesn’t take much spine to speak up online, especially since I’m an European and hence with little at stake on the US Presidential race.
(Mind you, I do go beyond words and have a been a member of small Leftwing parties in two of the countries I lived in).
None the less, thanks for the compliment.
It’s mask-off really quickly when those who are kinder and engage when you flatly state you’re not voting Dem, too.
Youre not alone. I’m voting uncommitted along with many others.
You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.
Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?
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Zionists are Nazis.
Same propaganda techniques, same violent unrestrained racism, same calous murdering of those of the “wrong” race.
The only difference is that the “superior race” the Zionists claim to represent is a different one, as is the one they deem untermenschen (or specifically in their words “human animals”).
You can literally replace “Israel” for “Germany” and “Jewish People” for “Arian Race” in some of the speeches coming from the Israeli government to end up with something pretty close to some of the Nazi speeches.
If you want to be technical about it, Zionists are ethno-Fascists - which is a rarer and far more racist and violent kind of Fascism than the traditional one - like the Nazis but they’re not specifically the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (so, not actually the NAZI party), just a modern version of it with a different set of races they see as ubermenschen and untermenschen (what the Zionists call “the chosen people” and the “human animals”).
So yeah, a guy like Biden actively supporting these modern Nazis with weapons whilst they commit Genocide is also a Nazi (just like somebody giving the KKK weapons knowing they will be used to kill afro-americans counts as being KKK) and those people doggedly coming out to defend Biden of any and all criticism of his actions in this are tainting themselves with the stink of this modern Nazism (they can hardly claim they’re against the mass murder of children whilst actively protecting one of the key guys in making it possible)
You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.
Straw man
Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
Low quality analysis and very biased take on what’s going on.
One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?
Implying I’m a Nazi. Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.
I was going to write that I don’t think you’re a Nazi, just giving yourself excuses to act in ways that taint you with their stink.
Then I saw this beauty:
actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
Low quality analysis and very biased take on what’s going on.
Already after the Genocide was well underway Biden sent Israel 2000lb bombs, which the US itself does not use because their collateral damage is too large (they flatten entire housing blocks), which have been used by Israel in both Gaza and in residential areas in Lebanon resulting in horrible numbers of civilian casualties, including many children.
You Sir, have the morals of a Zionist, a modern Nazi.
God Lemmy is ridiculous sometimes
Feel free to head to reddit and not look back. The worldnews mods there will make darn sure you dont have to deal with these troublesome opinions that you dont agree with. Let me hold the door open for you so you can go. Have a good day now.
Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.
Agreed fuckingkangaroos@, yeah, genocide is one thing, but anything you claim to be “rude” should not be tolerated. Tell that guy GOOD DAY, SIR. Its hard to believe anyone would act so rudely about some run-of-the-mill mass murder. I bet that guy uses his salad fork to eat his dinner too. You were right to
run awaynot engage.Very cool, thanks so much for your insightful comment
I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don’t match the actions. They might decry Israel’s actions but quietly they’re giving them the go-ahead.
Joey?
Do I detect a nuanced opinion. You do realize you’re posting on the Internet about American politics right?
Liberals can have a little genocide, as a treat. They’ve lost so much weight since segregation!
Right? Though I’ve often found those statements to be used to imply you can’t vote for the party because it’s a “treat”.
My intended joke was poking at this and it either didn’t come across or really hit a nerve based on the votes.
No shit, Joe!
When this originally leaked months ago (almost a year actually), people were getting down voted for saying Biden was just mad that Netanyahu was making him look bad in PR.
put up or shut up motherfucker.
Nice to know that he at least can acknowledge reality?
But behind it is a state dept that is ignoring it’s own studies rank indictment of isreals murderous actions in order to keep feeding the beast. Maybe it’s some far-flung plan to give isreal and netenyahoo all the rope they need to hang themselves, becoming global outcasts, which would then force them into accepting a two-state solution… Or the problem is a lot simpler.
The records and interviews also show that the pressure to keep the arms pipeline moving also comes from the U.S. military contractors who make the weapons. Lobbyists for those companies have routinely pressed lawmakers and State Department officials behind the scenes to approve shipments both to Israel and other controversial allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia. When one company executive pushed his former subordinate at the department for a valuable sale, the government official reminded him that strategizing over the deal might violate federal lobbying laws, emails show.
Weapons sales are a pillar of American foreign policy in the Middle East. Historically, the U.S. gives more money to Israel for weapons than it does to any other country. Israel spends most of those American tax dollars to buy weapons and equipment made by U.S. arms manufacturers.
Don’t forget, while Biden and his state dept. is in charge of investigating and ensuring the proper use of these weapons, it’s congress that’s approving it. A congress that is balls-deep invested in U.S. weapons manufacturers.
For Israel and NATO allies, if the sale is worth at least $100 million for weapons or $25 million for equipment, Congress also gets final approval.
The most widely held defense contractor stock among senators and representatives is Honeywell, an American company that makes sensors and guiding devices that are being used by the Israeli military in its airstrikes in Gaza. The second most commonly held defense stock by Congress is RTX, formerly known as Raytheon, the company that makes missiles for Israel’s Iron Dome, among other weapons systems. - Sludge Article
A “bad guy!” My word, Mr. President, what next, we’ll stop sending them money? Have some decorum.
I am firmly of the opinion that there is SOMETHING Israel has over the US that is probably super classified and super damning. Why else would BOTH parties, in one of, if not THE most influencial voting season in our country, agree on supporting Israel?
For how much the Republicans stand with Israel (and how many actually don’t care about genocide since pretty much every Neo-Nazi is Republican), it should be the BIGGEST soft-ball issue to run on for Dems to oppose, being the party of “the rights of the people”. But they have the presidency and continue supplying weapons to them for their war engine. No matter how many words are said, actions speak louder.
They are the US intelligence operation in the middle east. They are an attack dog for the things the US finds important, meaning they agree with us on economic operations, and will go to war to protect it. Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. These are all just countries who are willing to actively work in the economic interests of the US as it benefits them. This allows the US access to their intel, to put military facilities in their countries, to use new weapons systems through their conflicts. They protect the standing of the petrodollar.
The US doesn’t give a shit if a tiny, powerless, economically insignificant population, or a thousand, get wiped out. Preserving US domination is more important to the US government, and states like Israel will kill anyone in pursuit of that status quo. The only people they would need to have black mail on are government actors who aren’t willing to support them, there are not a majority of those, yet.
Seeing what we did to Assange, Manning, Snowden and others, it’s not exactly encouraging.
Yeah, you have to have access to top secret documentation, and make that public, before you get in trouble with the government in the US, by talking about their actions. While a serious issue, it’s not very comparable to simply talking about something that happened, out in the open, that has video, and photo, evidence of it circulating all around the world, getting you in serious trouble with the government. We can even openly talk about what was on those documents, without being swept away by the federal government, now that it is public.
This is just another person who has sided with one evil, and will always whataboutism for them.
The reason it was top secret is because it’s so egregious. Everyone who endorsed that campaign of persecution should be prosecuted and ousted, funds out back into Treasury.
Yeah, no shit
You’re absolutely right.
It’s religion. The Jews are in Israel. The Jews are the “chosen people”. Religion is retarded and it MAKES people retarded. That’s what they’ve got. Every American moron who is overtly Bible thumping or not is a vote in jeopardy if anybody says boo against Israel.
Religion was great when it was driving human progress around AD 1000, now it’s a fucking anchor slowly drowning us all.
Prayer does not empirically improve conditions of people who are sick. The most xtian countries in the world are the worst off by basically every metric. And yet, this brain cancer survives. Luckily we have flax_vert to convert us all or make us want to jump off our local bridge.
Now say it in public and act accordingly.
Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu’s government.
Why defend an ethnostate?
cuz I’m opposed to all genocide actually
Because ethnostate is just the excuse people use. Look at the demographics, it’s very multicultural in population.
But it’s leadership sucks donkey balls and there is way too much religion in their society.
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past. Of course, both Israel and Palestine deserve the right to self govern and their people the right to self determination. The civilized world shouldn’t accept genocide from allies either
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past.
Do we all get free stuff based on our great-grandparents’ past, or are past situations nearly a century ago outweighed by the present?
Consider how your answer relates to climate change.
present situation is there’s millions of israelis so they’re not going anywhere, and millions of palestinians and they’re not going anywhere either. two states
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past.
No. No one has the right to an ethnostate.
Putting aside whether it is right or wrong, having an ethnostate doesn’t make the Jewish people any more safe. The proof is that Jews are safer in America than they are in Israel.
The Jews being safe in the US is sadly not guaranteed in the future, especially with the rise of Nazis here. The existence of Israel isn’t guaranteed either, but the thing that compelled many people to establish it is that Jews at least had some agency in their own safety there.
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality
No. They dont. And stop pretending that the zionists speak for all jews. They do not now and never have. There is no threat to global jewery except from the theiving and murderous actions of the zionists. No one cares about the jews, they do however want 2000 years of zionist criminality and terrorism to stop.
There is no “right” to steal other peoples land and kill them if they wont get off it. There never has been. This round started in 1947 when that “right” you describe was rewarded with land by the UN, to be equitably shared with the current inhabitants. The UNs pity party for the nazi’s crimes is long since over. Take it up with right wingers if you have a problem with the fascists, but dont claim a “right” from the rest of us that doesn’t exist and never has. Your philosophy is simple troglodyte thievery and religious entitlement, nothing more or less.
Balfour was bad, Herzl was bad in 1896.
No they fucking don’t.
Fuck Israel too.
Does defending Israel include extending equal rights to Palestinians and allowing the right of return for refugees and their descendants? Netanyahu or not, I don’t think an apartheid state should be defended, especially with resources that could instead be used to help with domestic issues in the US.
Yes, absolutely. Israel and Palestine are places where people live and community structures exist. They belong to the people who live there.
I actually believe a 1 state solution will be more stable in the long term. The defacto 2 state solution, with one under occupation will never work. The Palestinian vote should be enough to swing the Israeli government away from the right.
Restitution needs to be part of the process, but not at the cost of established long communities and stable communities. There is no magic wand to “make it back the way it was”. Communities are groups of people, not places. Focus on restoring the networks of people. It won’t be fair, but it might be the best option available.
To hell with divine rights and ancestor speak. Secular freedoms for all, before religious freedoms.
It’s the only way to peace in the region.
As to how to get to that point, I am terribly underqualified, but a Marshall style international intervention like what happened in Germany and Japan after WWII probably holds some value.
Why should anyone defend a colonization effort so badly off the rails and out of touch with basic human dignity? There has never been a reason besides $$$ to defend Israel. If we send Israel our addresses will they spread some of that sweet bribery our way? no?
The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake “leaks” as well, and pretend to be “upset”. As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.
yeah it couldn’t possibly be that international relations in the highly contentious middle east make the problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides that the players are ideologically driven maniacs who will never accept any form of compromise because without the unwavering support of their hardcore adherents they won’t remain in power.
I’M SURE THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT.
You know if these assholes - both sides - would stop listening to their imaginary friends and look at the reality on the ground, we might have a chance.
As is, we’re fucked until one of these gaggles of idiots sets off a nuclear war.
but mmm yeah blame both sides, you’re just looking at both sides on the wrong side of the fucking planet.
If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature you have absolutely no clue what’s going on. The state of Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine land for decades. They have concentration camps filled with Palestinians where they commit rape and torture.
Palestinians are fighting for freedom from oppression, they are not fighting for religious beliefs.
Biden and the American government have been supplying a terrorist state with weapons as they actively commit a genocide. That’s why people are pissed. Biden is literally giving weapons to a fucking war criminal.
If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature
I argue it couldn’t happen WITHOUT the influence of monotheistic madness.
Pray tell, without the religious fervor on all sides, how long would any of it last? for fucks sake, be realistic
edit: and your thesis, that Palestine is fighting a purely secular battle - is absolutely absurd. Explain the atrocities on oct 6 without theology, it doesn’t make you seem better, it’s damning.
ffs people, stop with the silly fucking excuses
You’re building a straw man, you’re the one asserting that religion is solely to blame when it’s just a tool that’s being applied as part of a larger more complex problem.
This situation could just as easily have a secular socialist resistance fighting the colonizer, similar to some of the Kurdish resistance groups fighting ISIS and in Syria.
The reason for the conflict is that a colonizing state operating an apartheid government is committing genocide on the people living there to expand their control and territory. Illegal settlements aren’t there because of Judaism they’re there because of imperialism.
Religion is being exploited on both sides as an excuse and to motivate the people, but it’s not the root cause.
Illegal settlements aren’t there because of Judaism they’re there because of imperialism.
facts disagree.
“The outpost builders are often driven by an ultra-hardline ideology that demands Jews populate all of Palestinian land and force Palestinians out.”
Two thirds are ideologically motivated - Haredim or Zionists. https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/
How do you go from secular motivation to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_attack_policy
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hardliners-violently-expel-palestinians-to-expand-israeli-settlements-in-west-bank Eiyar insists the violence is caused by Palestinians refusing to accept what she sees as her biblical right to live on this disputed land, which they call Judea and Samaria, and that the only solution is for as many Israelis as possible to move here.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT MADNESS WITHOUT RELIGION?
BIBLICAL RIGHT?
So please, provide evidence it’s all secular. Religion is the root, it’s fucking rotten, it’s infected the entire region, and it’s only going to get worse.
You’re painfully ignorant. Nobody is saying religion isn’t a factor, you’re saying it’s the only factor.
We get it you’re an enlightened atheist, but that doesn’t mean things aren’t more complex
I’ve provided evidence for my thesis. all you have are insults and posturing.
have a great day.
the west has nothing to do with it they just simply set up the settler colonial apartheid state and gave it infinite weapons and constantly protect it from any retaliation.
oh yeah the guys with the colonial settlements aren’t religious at all huh?
lolwtf
mojofrododojo, You should do some reading about how and why Hamas was formed. It was formed with Israeli and Russian help to fight the PLO and the two state solution mandated by the UN. It was initially formed to be nonreligious but Israel insisted it be religious.
"…Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”"
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
This was always about shattering Palestine, taking their land, and using the vagaries of religious conflict as an excuse no one would dig too hard on.
lol I’ve been reading about Palestinian history for decades. you schmucks bought the british bullshit about the land being yours. and instead of cohabitating in peace, each side chose to murder people. over and over again. you build a settlement, they blow something up, you burn down their farms, they assassinate somebody. it never ends because both sides are certain god is with them.
it will never end as long as both sides keep listening to their invisible friends.
What religions do Ukrainians and Russians practice? I thought they were similar.
They also wear shoes maybe the shoes are to blame.
As it always was and always has been, religion is used as a tool and an excuse but it’s not the root cause.
if shoes caused people to hate and murder each other that argument would make sense.
religion is the lever, put to the work of violence by amoral people, an easy task when they each assert theirs is the only way.
pfft. shoes.
a simple explanation for a simple mind
I’ll take that as a compliment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_razor
“The simplest explanation is usually the best one.”
all the tiny brained downvoters, looking at the simplicity of life and saying “no, that needs jeebus!”
You fall right into that “pick a side and get in line to accept whatever their consultants want or get bribed to do” fallacy. If every Dem had pressured the dem leadership by voting uncommitted, the dem leadership would have known they were going to lose and changed course. But people like yourself take whatever slop falls on the floor and call that dogs dinner enough of a democracy. Thats Pathetic.
feel free to vote for Trump if you think that’s better. Or there’s always Jill Stein.
Meanwhile, in reality, you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark, that’ll improve things IMMENSELY.
Glowingly pathetic.
you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark
wow thats insightful mojofrododojo, yes–its obviously Jill Stein voters and progressives who are to blame for the war in the middle east. Dont forget the youth as well, those scumbags.
/s
oh you see a peace coming any time soon?
explain it to me then. how do you de-escalate? israel wants to kill as many as they can in palestine, gaza, hell now lebanon, 40k+ dead, how do you get people to stand down after that?
pffttt… wake up child.
Israel? One way or another, by sanctions, threats, politics, or actual boots on the ground, they have to be countered by force. That means a French/Spanish/Turkish (or someone else, but it almost has to include the French) contingent a few miles in from the Lebanese/Israeli border with their guns pointed in Israels directions and orders to fire if they are fired upon. And submarines ready to fire as well. And then a blockade by allied countries with a demand that the Israelis stop the murdering and land grabbing. I dont think the US would fire on the French. And once a credible force was in play, some of the middle east might consider an oil embargo to help. The Egyptians wont take up arms, but they might be persuaded to close the Suez to axis (the Israelis and their allies) ships.
Visas to citizens of Axis countries has to be curtailed as well for American citizens to wake up. That will be difficult but possible. Cut off Europe as a holiday destination and Americans will notice.
Whats your solution, just keep giving Israel whatever they want and deal with the refugees from the area? Or just let the goyim all die? I bet you have no plan at all and just exist here to troll. Lets see.
nothing is going to change as long as each side is letting their holy ideals lead them into war.
both sides.
but get rid of bibi tho, that’s a first for any progress.
problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides
No actually, its the nakba. Its always been about the nakba and the murders done because of it. For 800 years of the existsnce of the ottoman empire the jews and muslims got along perfectly well in the middle east, and that ended when the ottoman empire was disolved after WW2… So history shows us your idea isnt true.
yeah that explains everything. so why did religion hold so solidly through the ottoman empire then fall apart after it’s stability left?
why did the sunnis and shiites start murdering each other after saddam ran?
maybe without some very powerful base to threaten both sides into compliance, they can’t help but murder each other. because their religion commands it.
the UK sold palestine twice. once to the Palestinians and then to the zionists.
and those two couldn’t fucking make a paradise out of it, no, they had to start killing each other immediately.
When do politicians realize that Israel needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs Israel?
100% agreed. There are no US bases in Israel except a single radar base in the negev with 12 people in it, and a desk inside an israeli military base with 2 people in it. We dont even resupply our navy in their ports. It was big news in 2016 when we did it once. We have joint air bases just miles from the border of Israel and Jordan that we and Jordan and Britain operate our air force out of. Similar situation in Cyprus.
We have no need of Israel as an “ally” at all, and they have never been useful in any of our military operations in the middle east. They are pure baggage and always have been. To add to that, all their nuclear material that they built their nukes out of was stolen from inside the US. They dont even bother to deny it. No one cares.
The anger at the US by middle eastern people has always been about the abuse and colonization in Gaza. Bin Laden claims he attacked on 9/11 because of the injustcies in Gaza, but we all bought Bush’s idiot line that “they hate us for our freedoms”. But that colonization has never been necessary or right. Its always been in support of zionist religious land theft goals. We have middle eastern problems and conflict because the Israelis want to steal land. Thats the long and short of it.
There are intelligence briefs that we get from Israel, and the money we give them tends to boomerang right back into the US military-industrial complex.
OTOH, Israel collapses in a week without US support. Maybe politicians should realize this and use it to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
There are intelligence briefs
Those arent worth the cost of complicity in israeli crimes and 80 years of making literally billions of muslim people angry at us. We are destroying the entire western alliance with this and it will lead to the fall of the UN, wars, Global loss of soft power for the US, and probably the state of Israel nuked. I’d guess the middle eastern people would prefer to live next to a smoking radioactive crater rather than a group of violent criminal psycopaths. Its aimple human nature to eliminate such threats.
This “intelligence” is not worth even a small portion of that cost. And are you suggesting that feeding the endless military industrail complex is in US interests? it isnt. It only benefits the rich. The rest of the world finds other things to do with their industrail output besides creating bombs that kill and massively pollute.
When AIPAC looses it’s sting
