I’m starting think that when Biden said “I am a Zionist” the career federal politician actually DID know the context.
Biden would fuck around do a coup right before an election if it helped Israel
He obviously cares more about their right wing governments success than preventing trump
Biden couldnt care less what Americans want. Harris is a sock pupet and Blinken will be floated next. There was an astroturfed surge of comments on reddit a while back saying Antony Blinken should be the next American president. He’d be even worse than Biden/Harris. The Democratic party corporation will definitely push him as the presidential candidate in 2028 or 2032. (Assuming the bribes from AIPAC are rich enough, which is always a safe bet.)
Harris is a sock pupet
Hard disagree. Harris has already distinguished herself on Gaza as compared to Biden here (in terms of how her policies would be different).
Has she said she’s stop shipping them weapons and breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes?
No, right. Please correct me if I’m mistaken about that.Has she said she’s stop shipping them weapons
As per the headline on https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/09/18/harris-supports-pausing-arms-shipment-to-israel/
Harris ‘entirely supportive’ of using arms as leverage on Israel
So…
Please correct me if I’m mistaken about that.
Happy to have done so!
No, right.
Even though this was a yes, she absolutely has room to go more here, and I hope she does.
and breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes?
This one is oddly specific. So if Harris doesn’t exactly and precisely have that one specific view, then she would be a sock puppet no matter how far apart her beliefs are from Bidens?
On https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-elections-kamala-harris-biden-gaza-israel-war/ there are some specific examples of how she’s grown apart from Biden (while acknowledging that it’s not quite enough and suggesting that she should go even further).
This one is oddly specific. So if Harris doesn’t exactly and precisely have that one specific view, then she would be a sock puppet no matter how far apart her beliefs are from Bidens?
Oddly? you say? The Leahy laws are specific. Have you heard of those? And you ship weapons or you dont. You see nuance there huh. Thats telling. Harris has committed to being “concerned about” food aid and thats it. Otherwise she has followed the Hasbarah playbook to a T. I keep seeing people hopeful she will chart a different couse, when she has explicitely stated she will continue the curret course. I think people are filled with Hopium about her pruposefully vague sentiments. She has simultaneously parroted the typical Hasbara script, stating that all of this started on Oct 7, that Israel wants its hostages back, and that Israelis have a “right to defend themselves”. She has also talked down to student protestors. She’s accepted AIPAC donations.
You quoted me a link from a tiny Israeli site that has a yellow war ribbon in their logo.
“Israelhayam” a far right low factual reporting website. That one of your favorites? I see on their front page its all war salivating israeli audience stuff. You Israeli? https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/israel-hayom/So you’re pushing Israeli propoganda. In their article they talk about a threat to pause shipments in May, in an article published in September. A single threat to pause that wasnt actually carried out, was it. Biden pretends to push back but he never has actually pulled the trigger on any actual pushback. And a pause – essentially a delay in shipping, Same as your amazon package getting delayed. Even if it was true and not made up, its is a meangless performative gesture at best. Biden has used exactly zero of his levers to move toward peace, and 100 percent of his levers to encourage the expansion and impunity of a bloodthirsty genocide and ethnic cleansing.
And Harris has indicated that she will continue on the same course he has charted.
This one is oddly specific. So if Harris doesn’t exactly and precisely have that one specific view, then she would be a sock puppet no matter how far apart her beliefs are from Bidens?
Oddly? you say?Yes, it’s very odd to have a specific view about “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” in the definition of sock puppetry. So in other words, “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is sock puppetry and “breaking Israeli law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is not because the word US isn’t in there.
The Leahy laws are specific. Have you heard of those?
They’ve been mentioned a few times in the news recently. But they don’t seem to have any reference to sock puppetry. If you disagree, please show me the text of the relevant section of that law that defines it along with a proper analysis.
And you ship weapons or you dont. You see nuance there huh. Thats telling.
Of course. There’s a huge difference if the US is shipping only a single pistol with a single bullet in a century vs tens of thousands of nuclear armed ICBMs every single day. What the US is currently shipping to Israel under Biden lies somewhere between these two extremes (and imvho it’s still a bit too much, but I’ve already explained why I have hope that Harris will bring it down).
The fact that you can’t see nuance here is even more telling.
You see nuance there huh.
A bit surprised to see this as I didn’t mention nuance in the earlier quotes.
You quoted me a link from a tiny Israeli site that has a yellow war ribbon in their logo.
“Israelhayam” a far right low factual reporting website. That one of your favorites?No, but the point is that even these guys are worried about Harris staying committed to the current level of arms shipments. If even folks of this flavour and persuasion are worried, then that’s very suggestive, no?
So you’re pushing Israeli propoganda.
That said, it’s fair to ask for alternative sources if one is suspect. So happy to help again, thus here’s a different source, a non-Israeli progoganda source, for the same information: https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/washington-policy-weekly-harris-supports-pause-on-2000-pound-bombs-to-israel/
A single threat to pause that wasnt actually carried out, was it.
Again, happy to correct you!
Indeed it was, as per https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/10/biden-resumes-sending-israel-bombs
And it remained so even in late September, as per https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/28/world/middleeast/israel-nasrallah-bunker-buster-bombs.htmlIf you want to pretend laws arent laws, I dont know what to tell you. You cant just declare that reality is meaningless unless it adheres to your current most convenient outcome. This is exactly the centrist rot at the core of the party. We increasingly stand for nothing but a cult of personality as long as its slightly better than republicans, and thats not the dem party or the “America” I grew up with.
Biden pretends to push back but he never has actually pulled the trigger on any actual pushback.
So we were talking about Harris. Anyways, “pulled the trigger on any actual pushback” is a bit ambiguous - for example, some would argue that withholding 2,000 pound bombs while resuming 500 pound bomb deliveries (as per the above articles) is exactly that kind of pushback, while otherwise would say it’s a meaningless gesture.
And a pause – essentially a delay in shipping, Same as your amazon package getting delayed. Even if it was true and not made up, its is a meangless performative gesture at best.
Well, not quite the same as having an amazon package getting delayed. With amazon, you can get refunded (and then buy the same item from another vendor, say in person in a storefront) or have another of the same item reshipped to you (in the hopes of getting back faster). In either case it’d likely be resolved long before hitting five months.
In this case, there’s likely no other vendor to turn to for 2,000lb bombs. And there’s no question of reshipping or anything. So here we are five months later, with the pause fully in place.
Biden has used exactly zero of his levers to move toward peace, and 100 percent of his levers to encourage the expansion and impunity of a bloodthirsty genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Hmm…
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned their Israeli counterparts in a letter dated Sunday that it must increase the amount of humanitarian aid being allowed into Gaza within the next 30 days or Israel could risk losing access to U.S. weapons funding.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-oil-nuclear-sites-biden-f5dd702de7d990dd1d00f665e1484dee
And that was followed up by, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-gaza-aid-letter-blinken-austin-warning-netanyahu-government-rcna175657
And Harris has indicated that she will continue on the same course he has charted.
From https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/06/kamala-harris-israel-arms-biden ,
Harris … called for Palestinian “freedom and self-determination”.
If this “will continue the same course that he has charted” then yes she will.
Fair to ask Harris to go further.
But again, she’s not a sock puppet and has already distinguished herself on this topic from Biden.
Biden would fuck around do a coup right before an election if it helped Israel
I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that the article’s sources were inaccurate - and it’s Israel’s coup, with the US merely not taking an active opposition.
He obviously cares more about their right wing governments success than preventing trump
I think this is a tad unfair, considering how many of Biden’s red lines Israel has already crossed…
He made some wrong calls perhaps, but he is stuck between a rock and a hard place w.r.t. the election.
This sent me down a rabbit hole trying to figure out what the deal is with Lebanese politics. Didn’t even know they’ve been without a president for two years
So democratic
Joe Fucking Biden
Last time the west went in a civil war in Lebanon, it helped commit heinous massacres, where thousands of people were brutally slaughtered in refugee camps. Women and children were also raped and beheaded with the support of Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
There is an animated movie “Waltz with Bashir” where the movie maker works to regain his memories as former IDF soldier, who ultimately provided the light under which the massacres where committed.
These plans of the US and their allies show not only a complete disregard for the political stability or safety of Lebanon. They make a point of dehumanizing the victims of their past crimes again.
What the actual fuck?
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This is what makes me optimistic that Hezbollah can be defeated for good. Other factions in Lebanon have a strong incentive to prevent them from gaining enough power to operate independently from the Lebanese government again.
Removing Hezbollah is only a priority because they’ve been a thorn in Israel’s side for decades. This is their attempt to weaken Lebanon for a complete takeover. Lebanon will become the new Palestine when that happens.
Yup.
Hmmm, I wonder how would you react if Russia elects the president in your country and tells you that it is for your own good. Would you be so happy?
do any of those incentives involve a pile of shekels and a promise that they’ll get preferential treatment in a puppet govt. installed by Israel?
Are you aware that Lebanon already has a democratically elected government, and that Hezbollah is not that government? It’s the private army of the Shia minority and effectively an Iranian occupying force. Most people in Lebanon had absolutely no say in its decision to attack Israel, but they are still suffering from the consequences of that decision.
