• whileloop@lemmy.world
    8·
    2 years ago

    This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 years ago

    I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can’t leave twitter,

    or post “Fuck Spez” thousands of times, but won’t leave reddit,

    I’m cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome.

    I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience.

    • Kerrigor@kbin.social
      5·
      2 years ago

      The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

        Sure. And here we are. I’m sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I’m not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don’t know. I’m not confident based on what I’ve seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.

    • Ultraviolet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either.

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.

        Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn’t hurt people to stay, I don’t think we’ll see a shift.

      • BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf
        0·
        2 years ago

        Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE’s mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind.

          • Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world
            0·
            2 years ago

            I genuinely don’t know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain’t going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90’s for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it.

            Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It’s worse than ever as it’s not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now

      • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
        0·
        2 years ago

        Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king.

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      It is a slow process, most will still use it, but it will be less and less as time passes.

      Twitter is a different beast, most of the people you follow on twitter are only active in certain groups.

      All we can do is inform them and focus on what we do, no need to be stuck on what others do.

    • Manucode@infosec.pub
      0·
      2 years ago

      Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don’t benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.

      • Delphia@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences.

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.

        Thats a great point and something to consider.

    • umulu@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I switched to Firefox on windows and android on the same day as I saw that WEI bullshit.

      I don’t know why the fuck I was thinking it would be a worse experience… It’s the same thing.

    • Spudwart@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Google broke on Firefox for a while a day ago for me. Went to some other search engine.

      Jumping from social media is hard.

      Jumping from applications is not.

      teamspeak became Skype which became discord.

      And many of us did leave Reddit. I didn’t even leave because I cared about the protests or what Reddit was doing. I left because many posts were deleted, people left, subreddits became abandoned.

      Lemmy became better than Reddit basically overnight.

  • DireDazzle@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    2 years ago

    Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.

    I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they’re unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox…

    Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer…

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      To me it looks like a tech savy kind of hurdle, once people learn about it and start thinkering they start to use it also.

      Better for us when people start caring for what they tolerate from corps.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I know a lot of Chrome users, and the general story I get from them is nearly always the same infuriating bullshit along these lines:

      “So, I tried the like, Fox Fire thingy, but this one time, like, it took, like, 1.5 seconds to load, so it’s “””“”“”““slow””“”“”“”" so I just use Chrome 'cause it’s, like, faster and stuff."

      Yeah, and I suppose the 427 useless things you have running in your system tray right now don’t have anything to do with your computer being “slow,” right?

      • PastThePixels@lemmy.potatoe.ca
        0·
        2 years ago

        Or worse, “Why should I switch to Firefox? Everybody’s complaining about the performance of Firefox compared to Chrome, but Chrome just works for me.”

        Blissfully unaware of the kind of power you’re giving Google over the Internet by using their browser. I once had an experience where someone tried to use this to push me back to using Chrome.

      • tenochtitlan@lemmy.ml
        0·
        2 years ago

        There is also the initial load problem where it would take longer to load in Firefox compared to chrome. Yet people will attribute it to the browser and not the fact that assets were already stored in chrome.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      That’s why Google is trying to launch the “Web Integrity API” that will essentially allow them to mandate any website accessible to or using Google Services to ban browsers that have ad blockers.

  • tacosplease@lemmy.world
    0·
    2 years ago

    So I switched to Firefox for privacy reasons but fuck if it isn’t buggy as hell on my old phone. I’m keeping it, but it’s a huge reduction in usability compared to Chrome.

    • Cmot_Dibbler@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I use Firefox exclusively on both android and my PC. And have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you also on android? What’s been buggy in your experience?

      • wesley@yall.theatl.socialEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Not the person you’re replying to but I sometimes have issues with PWAs not loading when I open them and then I have to close it and re-open to get it to load

        That’s the only major issue I have and I find the ability to use ad blockers as well as the nice reading mode to make my overall mobile browsing experience leagues better than with Chrome

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      Keep looking for diffent forks or browsers!

      Do not give up, it is the same with other switches, you need to try out a few before you find one that works for you!

  • Gnubyte@lemdit.comEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    Just imagined over my pixel tablet. If I wasn’t using Android auto (car connection) on my phone I’d shit can that too.

    They also raised the price on YouTube premium right after I got my annual subscriptions. Fuck that man. Once these companies got you locked in they take you for a ride.

  • nostradiel@lemmy.world
    0·
    2 years ago

    To the fans of Firefox: It has almost as much telemetry and spying as Chrome. Rather use hardened Firefox or Librewolf.

    • Scolding7300@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      But that’s only by default though, no? It’s not like it’s worse, it sounds to me like a slightly better option to go with the default than stay in Chrome

  • faintedheart@lemm.ee
    0·
    2 years ago

    If we take the majority of internet users, in that 99% doesn’t care about ad blocking. They are not even aware of extensions and stuff. And most people in that category are not going to notice these changes at all as most of them are chrome users.

    Some firefox fans will go to any extent to praise firefox by lying about chrome. One thing is that firefox is faster than chrome. My potato pc with 2gb ram and pentium dual core is able to run chrome (without ad blocking) faster than firefox. Page loading etc is faster even with ads in chrome. Same in my work pc with i5 11th gen and 16gb ram. Other chrome browsers like vivaldi and brave are even faster.

    But do I care about a few seconds of lag in firefox?. No. I use firefox because of extensions and ad block integration. Not because of its speed. I also use chrome for banking websites etc for a smoother experience. Firefox has some more to do to get a smoother experience. Especially on phones. Pc firefox and chrome are almost similar. Even then chrome is a little bit more faster to be honest.

    Other than people who are aware of this issue, that is a very small pool of people no one is ditching chrome.

    • BackStabbath@lemm.ee
      0·
      2 years ago

      Does anyone really claim that Firefox is faster than Chrome. There are certainly reasons to use Firefox over Chrome, but speed isn’t one of them imo. I’ve always found it to be slower.

      • adolf_hitler@reddthat.com
        0·
        2 years ago

        It’s slower but not much slower. It used to be a much bigger difference, especially when Chrome just came out.

        For a power user like me, Firefox is the only option.

      • faintedheart@lemm.ee
        0·
        2 years ago

        Yes many firefox fans say firefox is faster than chrome. I saw it in the comments too. That was the only thing I focused on.