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  • bankimu@lemm.ee
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    2 年前

    My goodness that’s awesome. I never understood why they locked it down in the first place about a year ago. What changed?

    • lostmypasswordanew@feddit.de
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      2 年前

      They wanted to have compatibility with Chrome extensions. But that was all just a n EEE move by Google. More perfidious since they created the open standard in the first place

  • Genghis@monero.town
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    2 年前

    I haven’t been using Firefox for Android because I heard they don’t have a WebView Implementation so the firefox browser has to be used beside the Chromium WebView meaning there’s an attack surface of two browser engines. I also heard that the Firefox sandboxing and site isolation isn’t very good between websites.

    I’ve been using Vanadium WebView and browser because of that.

      • Genghis@monero.town
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        2 年前

        Android System Webview allows apps to display browser windows in the app rather than taking you to your web browser app. On Android, chromium is used for webview. If you use Firefox as a default browser, the remote attack surface increases because they’re two different browsers with different security issues.

        Site isolation enforces security boundaries around each site using the sandbox by placing each site into an isolated sandbox. Firefox doesn’t have that feature so they’re vulnerable to attacks like Spectre.

    • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
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      2 年前

      They’ll soon be forced to allow sideloading, in the EU at least. Should open the doors for proper alternative browsers.

        • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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          2 年前

          If you can sideload an app there’s nothing Apple can do to stop you from shipping a new rendering engine.

          • realharo@lemm.ee
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            2 年前

            They can still prevent the JIT from working because the resulting native code would not be signed. That would result in worse JavaScript performance in such browsers, but considering today’s hardware and software optimizations, it may not matter that much in practice.

            • maynarkh@feddit.nl
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              2 年前

              Yes, but the point of the law is that apps that you install that are not from the official store actually have to work. It even has clauses so that installing stuff from different sources than Apple can’t intentionally be a worse experience than the official app IIRC. That might be just for messaging though.

        • Aasikki@sopuli.xyz
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          2 年前

          If you can sideload anything you want, why would that be the case? I don’t think there’s a technical limitation, they just don’t allow it on the app store if it doesn’t use safari.

          • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            2 年前

            Oh that’s true, I always thought iOS just didn’t have that capability at all but that makes sense that it would just be blocked at the App Store level.

      • TheEntity@kbin.social
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        2 年前

        I loathe the very fact they made people call it “sideloading”. It’s just installing on your own terms, like it used to be the norm.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
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          2 年前

          Well, it’s a carry over from its early days in how it used to work. You needed to install things via USB debugger. Generally that’s all sideloading ever meant, transferring information from one device to another using a generally “local” method (SD card, USB, etc). Now sideloading, on Android at least (as it retains its original meaning elsewhere), just means not from the official repository.

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
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            2 年前

            I just activated Windows 10 on a laptop I bought from ebay, and I was reminded that Microsoft too wants people to view its official store as the default way to obtain software.

            One of my goals for this weekend is to set up a dual boot for Linux Mint, which I’ve never done before. I’m fully aware of its limitations, but I’m getting so tired of all this crap.

              • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
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                2 年前

                I have an old laptop that I’m planning to use to test different versions of Linux so I can get a feel for it. I will let you know if I have questions. I appreciate the kind offer!

            • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
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              2 年前

              Yeah, I’m not sure what Microsoft is attempting with S mode. Its just such a half baked concept to me. I’d rather a simplified group policy interface or something if they wanted simplified restrictions.

              But yeah, dual booting is a great way to transition. You can also do Windows in a VM, but not sure how licensing works or if you can use an OEM license in there.

              • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
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                2 年前

                It just seems much better for me to set up a dual boot. I know it’s more work, but it’s not like it’s irreversible, and I think it would give me a better experience overall.

                • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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                  2 年前

                  There are a few Linux distros I can recommend as someone who started doing this as a little tinker project when I was younger.

                  Pop_OS! Is a really great basic setup to help usher you into Linux. I installed the KDE desktop environment onto my install because I really like and enjoy the KDE experience. You have plenty of other Ubuntu “flavors” to choose from. I’d recommend giving them all a whirl or look and decide which one you think is the best fit for you.

                  ElementaryOS is great if you want a semi-MacOS experience but I feel it is perfect for someone who doesn’t want to tinker around too much or for family members to use on their 10 year old laptops/desktops.

                  I also recommend not fully setting your Linux side up (email, saving documents, etc.) until you get done with your testing different distros out. You’ll be thankful you didn’t go through the full setup process if you decide to try a new distro out. Have fun, and remember it’s all a learning experience. Don’t be afraid to ask for question or look anything up. If you finally find a distro you want to make permanent and remember me, I’d love to hear what you settled on. Have a wonderful rest of your day. And enjoy your newfound freedom! 😌

    • jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 年前

      Very sad that Firefox does not provide an .ipa file of firefox without webkit. Jailbroken, trollstore and altstore users could benefit of extensions before apple allows sideloading.

      • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 年前

        No, this is similar to the old Firefox for Android, which is why I like it.

        When you could just browse AMO and add an add-on at will. It was also much smoother.

        • noodlejetski@geddit.social
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          2 年前

          It was also much smoother

          now that’s just rose-tinted glasses speaking. I remember how absolutely abysmal old Firefox’ scrolling was, and how they’ve claimed multiple times that they’ve improved it but it was still horribly sluggish compared to Chromium browsers. I’ve been using Firefox Preview (and then Nightly after enough performance improvements have landed on it) for about a year just to have acceptable experience on mobile.

          • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            2 年前

            Honestly the one thing I don’t like is how pages constantly refresh when you alt tab (or w/e the equivalent is on Android - swipe tab I guess?). I know it’s a small thing but it just gets at me. I also like the old UI as it was more Firefox-y; the new one is too white and plain.

            • noodlejetski@geddit.social
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              2 年前

              I do miss the tab bar, it would be great to have it on the tablet. I can’t comment on how differently the browser behaves now regarding storing loaded pages in memory though, because most of the time I’d have an underpowered phone that would kick out everything out of memory when switching apps anyway.

        • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
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          2 年前

          I agree with you. This is going to be a huge improvement and hopefully get more people to switch from Chrome.

          Hopefully it’s a sign of more good things to come.

    • noodle@feddit.uk
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      2 年前

      You can also use the Nightly app and load addon collections. It’s an absolute pain in the arse, and a lot of extensions don’t work, but it’s one way to get them.

      • iloverocks@feddit.de
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        2 年前

        I didn’t know that this feature is already dort of waring in the nightly build but it makes sence that they will test it out in nightly

        • noodle@feddit.uk
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          2 年前

          Honestly, it’s as if they don’t really want you using it. It’s a legitimate feature but hidden away and quite difficult to use. Here’s a guide on getting it set up. I’ve been using it since it came out and haven’t had too many issues, but a lot of addons just don’t work as intended.

    • happyhippo@feddit.it
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      2 年前

      Let’s just appreciate the fact that basically no other browser has this.

      With chrome/ium you can’t even block ads.

      • 9up999@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
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        2 年前

        That’s a lie sir. Brave blocks ads out of the box. Vivaldi also has ad block filters. You can add custom filters to both browsers. Also edge has shitty ad blocker. Kiwi browser supports almost all chrome extensions. Basically almost all except chrome and still you can block most of the ads using correct dns server.

        • Forkk@forkk.meEnglish
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          2 年前

          Firefox already supported ublock origin on mobile and a handful of other extensions. This is just them opening it up to more extensions.

        • pedro@lemm.ee
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          2 年前

          Sorry but even with all that said, you’ll never lure me to the evil side. I’m sticking with Firefox until it dies an atrocious death

        • sarsaparilyptus
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          2 年前

          We’re talking about actual web browsers here, not spyware that uses your device to run a botnet

          • 9up999@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
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            2 年前

            Firefox is as much botnet as others. Full of telemetry, diagnostics, pocket and other shit. That’s why there are secure forks. Firefox in stock form is as much botnet as others. Also firefox is selling out to the same google so don’t pretent it’s better because it’s not.

            • can@beehaw.orgEnglish
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              2 年前

              Accepting a ton of money from Google to make it the default search engine isn’t selling out to them. Any concerned user will know how to change the default.

    • berg@lemm.ee
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      2 年前

      Have you tried sidebery? When I found tree layout for tabs to be a thing I haven’t looked back.

  • suny@beehaw.org
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    2 年前

    great, now waiting for them to finally fix the supremely janky tab behavior.

  • GenEcon@lemm.ee
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    2 年前

    I use FF on android for a couple months now. Solid browser and sync to desktol and add blocker are nice.

    BUT: their page reloading is far too aggressive. You can’t buy anything online, since once 2FA is required and you need to open your bank app, confirm, and switch back, the page reloads and the 2FA didn’t get through. Tickets and such are the only reason I have still chrome installed.

      • GreatAlbatross@feddit.ukEnglish
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        2 年前

        Possibly, but previously I’ve been able to load a site, open a media-rich page in a new tab, then close that tab to go back to the original page.

        On a newer build of FF for Android, that first page is re-loaded from the internet.

    • 1ird@notyour.rodeo
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      2 年前

      I feel this pain. But you try to stop a video that started playing in Firefox. I dare you.

    • towerful@programming.dev
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      2 年前

      Huh, good to know.
      I’ve found edge to be quite aggressive on the reloads as well (at least, on desktop).
      Makes it difficult for developing anything that has to deal with tabs going to “sleep” (like websocket reconnects, rehydrations, reauths).

      I’m a hair away from ditching chrome

    • dsmk@lemmy.zip
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      2 年前

      Hmm, I’m not experiencing that. Could Android (well, the flavour used by your phone) be killing background apps too aggressively or something like that?

      Edit: could also be a RAM thing. I have 12GB.

        • sarsaparilyptus
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          2 年前

          You can get 32GB of laptop RAM for like $60 to $80 if you find sales, and even one 16GB stick would be an upgrade for you. Modern bloat is so bad that having 8 gigs of RAM is the equivalent of having 4 a few years ago.

      • middlemuddle@beehaw.org
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        2 年前

        I’m not experiencing that issue either and I have half the amount of RAM that you do. I’ve noticed an unnecessary autorefresh only after closing out of the browser for a long time, never in the middle of switching between apps. But, that does sound like annoying behavior.

      • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 年前

        I also feel RAM too aggressive since A13, but it could be my custom ROM as well.