Depending on how the next four years go I’m on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I’d like to hear from you

Edit:

Top 10 suggestions so far (unordered):

  • Andrew Jackson
  • Andrew Johnson
  • George W. Bush Jr
  • Ronald Reagan
  • Richard Nixon
  • James K. Polk
  • Woodrow Wilson
  • James Buchanan
  • Franklin Pierce
  • Donald J. Trump
  • TheDrink [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    403·
    2 days ago

    Andrew Jackson and it’s not even close. Not to downplay the horrible crimes committed by many of our other presidents but I don’t think anything rises to the level of the Trail of Tears.

    Remove Jackson from the running and it’s a more interesting conversation, however thinking about it reveals just how interconnected all of this stuff is. While the current genocide is occurring under Biden, we can’t forget that the conditions that lead to Oct 7 were created under Trump. For that matter so were the conditions that lead to the escalation of the war in Ukraine.

    I think the worst in my lifetime by a mile is Dubya, but while his wars were massive and consequential we can’t forget that George Senior also killed scores of people in Iraq, and Clinton carried out the sanctions regime that killed scores more. Clinton was also the one who broke Labor’s influence within the Democratic Party - but it was Obama who was swept into power on the promise of a working class revolution only to smother it in its crib.

    But yeah my top two are Jackson and Dubya but beyond that I’m not sure there are a lot of crimes in the history of America’s presidency.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
      2·
      21 hours ago

      For that matter so were the conditions that lead to the escalation of the war in Ukraine.

      That’s Obama. Sure Trump continued but it’s mostly on Obama for pushing the neonazi monstrosity to power and Biden for constant escalations to proxy world war and possibly to real world war soon.

    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      For that matter so were the conditions that lead to the escalation of the war in Ukraine.

      Complete mind palace nonsense. We literally impeached him for threatening to not send weapons there for the civil war that ended up exploding into the full scale invasion.

      Not that he had good reasons to do a good thing, but your recollection of history is completely fucking inverted

      but beyond that I’m not sure there are a lot of crimes in the history of America’s presidency.

      okay maybe I’m expecting too much from you

      …you know we genocided an entire continent of people, right? And continue to?

      • TheDrink [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        22·
        2 days ago

        We literally impeached him for threatening to not send weapons there for the civil war that ended up exploding into the full scale invasion.

        Ah yes, the impeachment that accomplished so much and is extremely relevant.

        I don’t care what Trump said or would have preferred, under his administration our government continued to fuel and escalate tensions in the region when we should have been pushing Ukraine to implement Minsk II and end the civil war. Maybe you could classify it as a mistake on his part instead of malice that he didn’t stop the arms shipments even though he really wanted to, but people are still liable for mistakes.

        you know we genocided an entire continent of people, right? And continue to?

        I literally cited an episode from that genocide as my reasoning for Jackson being the worst president.