Guaranteed the word “woke” will be thrown around left and right
Might be a hot take, but reporting on that just generates the wrong kind of buzz.
How could anyone hate Ciri :c
I can’t understand hating Ciri as a chracter, but I can understand being kind of a disappointed not having Geralt as a playable character.
If you consider it as an isolated game it doesn’t matter, but when you play three games as one character and then suddenly switch to another character it can feel kind of melancholic, in absence of a better word. Especially since now there’s a non-zero chance that they’ll kill Geralt in the new game.
But anyway, Ciri was an interesting character and those parts in Witcher 3 where you played as her were great.
and then suddenly switch to another character it can feel kind of melancholic
Its not that sudden, Ciri was playable in Witcher 3 at times and the ending that has to be canon for her to be the W4 Protag leaves Geralt alive and old, and if you count B&W the owner of a vineyard where he can chill with his girl of choice, so they don’t even need to kill him off
“He’s old and hangs out in Toussaint now, he sends Ciri letters” would be easy to do
Well obviously Geralt survives in the end of witcher 3 and most likely will be alive in 4, but what I meant is that they might kill him in the new game like they did with Vesemir in Witcher 3. They don’t need to, and I hope they don’t, but it would be kind of an easy plot device so there’s a chance. But at this point it’s just speculation anyway.
My main point was more in line that some people just don’t like change and that would be enough to make them oppose Ciri as the main character.
Witcher 3 had multiple endings, and he dies in one of them
I heard somewhere that I think CDPR said even that ending there is a way Garalt could still survive. I don’t remember what the ending is, but also it doesn’t really matter because they can do what they want with him.
It’s not sudden at all. In fact there’s no way you can be a fan of these games and not have seen this coming. It was the very obvious Next Step.
Geralt got his ending in The Witcher 3. I would much rather play as Ciri.
Someone that did not read the books. There are multiple points where the story shifts to Ciri. In a similar way Ragnarok shifts to Atreaus.
Witcher 3 literally has you play as her on multiple occasions, too
I haven’t even finished it before and I can think of at least 2
So it’d be someone who’s never read the books and has never played 3 (she isn’t mentioned in 1 or 2)
I’ve seen more posts complaining about complainers, than I’ve seen complainers.
This is Lemmy. You’re looking for reddit.
Currently I split my time a bit on reddit and Lemmy, but at this point I don’t even bother with their gaming communities. Lemmy is miles better in that regard imo as far as discussions go.
I haven’t seen a single complaint about Ciri being the protagonist of the next witcher game andI believe it’s because she isn’t a “let’s put a woman here for the quotas” type of character.
Yeah, I honestly haven’t seen an actual complaint.
Is it here, or on the internet as a whole? I have already seen a TON of vitriol in the trailer’s comments on YouTube. They’re loudly skreeeing woke, and DEI, and even the less insane ones are “so disappointed in CDPR.”
EDIT - I spoke too soon, they’re even here in this very post.
so disappointed in CDPR
Did they play the third game? Do they remember how important Ciri was, how special her powers?
I’m wagering most of them haven’t.
They just start frothing at the sight of a powerful woman
Really? Can you share them? I saw the post on lemmy complaining about wanting male/female options, but there’s also this article with gems such as below.
Even in the comments of that article though, is “DEI detected = Purchase rejected”.
So the comments are out there, probably on reddit too, but they are there.
That’s super reaching for straws. It’s a skin in a third party Battle Royale game. He couldn’t even bring himself to compare her to Ciri in Witcher 3.
We’re a pretty happy bubble here, which is why I’m here
Nothing happy about creating your own boogy man lol.
No no you see it is because I have dedicated the last 20 years of my life to Witcher lore and have memorized not only every line but every plot in the series and books, and you see, Ciri is supposed to be much [choice: less/more] powerful than this trailer makes her appear! I’m boycotting this game and recommend everyone else does too! I’m tired of them shitting on lore with woke propaganda!
Anyway, I think that covers it.
Ah I see you too are a “true” gamer
Add Naughty Dog’s “Intergalactic” to the pile: The protagonist is female and a PoC! The usual suspects are already frothing at the mouth and recording a bajillion outrage bait videos for their Youtube channels.
And bald! Which probably reminds some of the negative anti-wokers of their current day living situations
I dislike when space games have loose hair on characters. All hair should probably be cut short or tied up if you’re making a game in space. Bald makes a lot of sense for this reason, especially since even short hair you’d ideally have physics in it floating around (assuming it has zero-g stuff or anything like that).
How come how the absolute worst men are allowed to represent the entire gender?
Being loud and offensive attracts more attention than being normal
I feel like the left should know better though
A chain is not stronger than its weakest link or something
actually pretty good analogy. like, whole generations of fucked up men come from the idea that if you just give up on the bad ones they disappear and nothing will come of it
That doesn’t really work though… You could say the same thing about any demographic, and it would be correctly called out as racist/sexist/homophobic/etc
The thing is though, they don’t care about women in video games, they just care about “ugly” women in video games. as long as they can look at an hourglass shaped woman with massive curves in a skinsuit they don’t mind.
don’t go down the rabbit hole of “fixing female characters”…
There is a very good Shaun video on this exact thing .
yes I really liked it. Even the analysis/hypothesis that it really is the moment of „not getting pandered to“ that enrages that demographic. Any moment they do not feel like the target audience they take grave offense.
The thing is though, they don’t care about women in video games, they just care about “ugly” women in video games.
Welcome to 2024, where preferring art
to not bethat is not ugly is despicable behavior.I know most left leaning people aren’t this extreme, but this really gives them a bad image and puts off a lot of people. Especially when the non extreme people jump to the defense out of the feeling that opposing extremes is the same as promoting the right.
EDIT: Change wording for clarity.
You conveniently ignored the quotes around “ugly” to go on your little rant there. These people already flip their shit when the woman is a mere mortal normal looking woman and not the perfectly shaped ridiculously curvy imperfection-free woman that incels think is the gold standard of attractiveness. Point in case: Star Wars Outlaws bad, Stellar Blade good
So they like their art to not be average looking, big deal. Different people have different preferences. If you prefer more average looking women, than say so and leave it at that. No need to belittle other peoples preferences or push your preferences onto others.
Yeah I guess we should just let people keep over analyzing the women in video games, pointing out every single imperfection, every pimple, every asymetry because thats what incels do. I’m sure the women in the real world love that behaviour 🤠 maybe you try talking to a women and see how she likes the portrayal of women in video games, and the coomers consuming said games
Yeah I guess we should just let people keep over analyzing the women in video games, pointing out every single imperfection, every pimple, every asymetry
Yes, you should let other people analyze whatever they feel like analyzing.
because thats what incels do. I’m sure the women in the real world love that behaviour 🤠
What does that have to do with you? If they want to stay incels, that is their problem.
I’m not gonna keep arguing because you’re clearly not interested in thinking about how the portrayal of women in media affects societies perception of women in real life. I urge you to take my advice and talk to women 🤠
you’re clearly not interested in thinking about how the portrayal of women in media affects societies perception of women in real life.
About as much as seeing violence in games is causing real life violence? Sane people can distinguish a game from reality.
I urge you to take my advice and talk to women 🤠
Shock and horror, they don’t bring this topic up. Those that talk about political topics with me have real issues they care about.
Dude, a lot of the most highly praised art in this world is weird and usually “ugly.” Art has nothing to do with being something you can masturbate to.
And this kind of shit is what I was talking about in the first place. Now it can’t even be art because it looks too lewd to you. Art is subjective, if you prefer
weird and usually “ugly.”
art, that is perfectly fine. But you don’t get to dictate what art other people like or what other people consider art.
What? It can be lewd too. Wtf? Art can be anything. You are the one that implied it has to be “beautiful.” Hell no. You don’t get to both act like you’re the dictator of art and that other people are actually being too strict with art. Art is whatever the creator wants it to be. You don’t get to decide that just because you can’t masturbate to the character that it isn’t art.
What? It can be lewd too. Wtf? Art can be anything. You are the one that implied it has to be “beautiful.”
I did not intend to imply anything of the sorts.
I intended to say it is perfectly fine to like and dislike any art you want. And it is your right to voice criticism of the art you dislike.
I kind of see how it could be interpreted that way and will edit the comment.
Art has nothing to do with being something you can masturbate to.
I also misunderstood this to mean something you masturbate to can’t be art. :(
Yeah, that’s correct. You can like or dislike any art. The people arguing it must only have sexy women or it’s bad are in the wrong. You can like sexy women, but that’s not a requirement and has a totally different set of goals to The Witcher 4 presumably.
Yeah, that’s correct. You can like or dislike any art. The people arguing it must only have sexy women or it’s bad are in the wrong.
Yes, you are correct. But that is a small minority of trolls.
What most people protest against is that publishers like Sony force censorship on developers and that self proclaimed “DEI consultancy” firms, “game journalists”, and other people lobby, pressure and extort developers to make characters uglier.
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(Lore nerd rant ahead, tl;dr: Ciri being the protag is 100% fine and I expected it but her being a full witcher is weird)
There’s exactly one somewhat valid complaint to be had here, and it’s that Ciri in the books explicitly didn’t go through the Trial of the Grasses (aka one of the main mutation processes that makes you a witcher or, as it often happens, just straight up kills you), so idk how they’ll justify her being able to use witcher potions and stuff now. And (also in the books) she has lost her access to magic at one point, so using witcher signs is strange too.
I can see her wanting to take the plunge and go through with the trials, but I’m also certain that Geralt wouldn’t want that for her bc of how much it fucks you up + most of the secrets of the trials have been lost.
I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what explanation they come up with for her being a full witcher, but it better be good.
So, from lore perspective, I have no objections to her being the protag but I don’t love her being a full witcher. I liked what they did with her gameplay sections in W3, I hoped they’d have just expanded on that gameplay idea more.
Just because she does it in the trailer does not mean we start there in the game.
I agree it seems a little shoe-horned to make her a classical witcher. I hope it’s not just to give her the title, because she could easily be the protagonist, and/or have the job of being a witcher without the trial of the grasses. She was given the training and education of a witcher, and has magical powers of her own already. Receiving the trials would be a huge deal, narratively, to the characters, and to world building. I could easily see this being a fumbled corporate attempt at placating fans that wanted to see geralt, without any regard for the characters or world building. (Similar to “Rey Skywalker” having absolutely no business being a Skywalker). But that’s all speculation. If it’s treated as a major plot point, and not done just for the hell of it, it could still be good.
Yeah, exactly! I’m not married to the lore to the degree that I won’t give the devs a chance to explain how this came to be, but I’m worried it’s going to just be a cheap “well we needed to keep the signs and the potions as mechanics but Geralt is retired, fuck it, let’s say they found instructions on how to safely make more witchers in Vesemir’s cupboard somewhere.”
She’s wearing a feline medallion in the trailer, so it stands to reason she’s affiliated with the School of the Cat now. She probably went through their trials. And apparently CDPR has stated she is indeed a full witcher now.
Yeah I’m not sure what her becoming a witcher adds to her story. She already has a lot going for her. Now if she became a badass witch like Granny weatherwax that’s the left turn I want to see.
Ciri used headology: The bandit lies down questioning how exactly disappointed his mother will be in him when ciri gets back from the coven.
Doesn’t Geralt basically retire at the end of 3??? Of course it’s her turn to be the protag, fuck the haters.
You also spend multiple chunks of the game playing as Ciri. Like what are folks expecting?
The kinds of people that claim “wokism” in games tend to also not actually play the games they’re bitching about, so they don’t actually know what to expect.
Oh this is funnier than that.
Awhile ago my partner and I discovered there’s a combined work “Woke Advisory List” of videogames compiled by these backwards grognards. It roughly places games into categories of “Do not play, tis too woke” and “mild Trigger warning - has woke elements”
There is no small matter of quality of game that seems to influence which category the game is put in. Generally blah games with like a non sexy female protagonist and a single gay person randomly existing as a character you optionally meet might classify as “Holy shit! Too woke too WOKE!”… But then LIFE IS STRANGE is only categorized with the mildest of warnings of “some gay themes”… Like bro… “some” ?
It is equal parts hilarious and disheartening to go through and look at all the shit they decry as woke collated in one place and to recognize what counts as “exceptions” because they cannot bring themselves to cast games they love onto the burn pile.
It’s not just that they don’t want to put games they love into the pile. Their whole idiology is based on woke games failing. If a game is successful and “woke” then their idiology must be wrong. They will never admit to this being the case, so instead the game must not be that “woke” after all.
My thought was that Geralt and Ciri’s stories were over or decided, and I’m disappointed they didn’t find a way to do a Witcher story either in the future or past that enabled you to pick your own gender, appearance, Witcher school, or whatever else, maybe with creative use of the trial of the grasses or something.
I’ll happily play as Ciri to revisit the universe and maybe some familiar characters, but I just wish they’d done something newer or more original.
I don’t understand the hate for women in video games, If the next Doom game comes out with a female protagonist I’d be going “HELL YEAH RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!!” the same way I do in Doom Eternal
From shitty YouTuber influencers.
A guy from work constantly tells me how I should feel about a game based on a YouTuber he watches. He doesn’t play it, he just parrot that shit. Often it’s the most sexist, disgusting take.
And most of these influencers are outright basement dwellers with pride.
So like, they’re getting shitty takes from shitty human beings who are proud of being shitty?
Yeah basically that neckbeard guy who just rages against anything that doesn’t help his fantasies of being a real man. Can’t remember the channel, want to say the
fappeningbut it’s not that.E: shit I mean the quartering, have a cold and no sleep for 2 days. That’s something completely different…
Don’t understand it as a rational thing, understand the hate as a cancer with its growth being juiced and accelerated by the ruling class because incels are the easiest demographic to scam into violently acting against their own interests.
A cancerous process is by definition irrational from the perspective of the body it acts upon, the reason the cancer exists and grows is not because of a motive, desire or need but rather because the cancerous process consumes all the space and oxygen in a room at a faster rate than anything else can compete with while remaining invisible to the body as a threat.
Toxicity towards women displaces other topics and viewpoints specifically because the men pushing those topics want to monopolize the discussion and framing and often centrist types don’t challenge that at all because of some self-perceived high ground to tolerating intolerance (not something you tend to believe in if you have experienced serious hate).
Generally speaking im absolutely for a better representation of women and minorities. However, theres on criterium for it: it must fit with the lore. If the lore makes sense with a woman, go for it. If you just replace the main character with a woman, but don’t adjust the lore in a way that its clear that its an entire new storyline or so, than I’m against swapping out the main character. Inclusion shouldn’t lower the quality of a game.
Agreed.
Ciri is a huge part of the Witcher games.
They prepped us for her becoming a Witcher or something adjacent to it in TW3.
There’s no conspiracy to turn you gay or trans here. It’s just a continuation of the series.
Though talking about the lore, that had better not be regular witcher alchemy in that potion. She explicitly hasn’t had the special diet, trial of grasses or the mutations so witcher potions should basically be poison she can’t process at all.
Canonically she’s witcher trained but not subjected to any of the mutations, but she’s also of the Elder Blood and a Source. So compared to a traditional witcher you’d expect her to be slower and weaker (because she lacks the mutations) but have greater access to magic (because she’s a Source). You’d also expect her to use most witcher tools and gadgets, but not potions (because they should just be poison to her, not having the altered gut of a witcher).
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Don’t know anything about the Witcher, but assuming that it is as you said, than that’s a good thing.
So maybe it’s not actually the DEI itself that makes the game bad but actually the shitty game design and writing that makes the game bad and lore suck.
That’s a pretty good description. Inclusion for the same of inclusion sucks.
So like, in this case, ciri makes perfect sense as she’s by pore, essentially the next be of kin.
Ciri is such a great character in the books. I hope they can get a lot of that personality into her in the game, too.
It seems like it from the trailer, but I’m nervous about the voice actress, she does sound different than 3… But I’m willing to give her a fair chance
From the trailer, its clear that its ~15-20 year time skip, she is able to drink witcher potions so she passed the trial of grasses, and clearly has much more control of her powers.
The trial of grasses point is where im concerned, yes she would have plot armor for a procedure that has a notriously low survival rate, plus the school of the wolf (Geralt, Vesimier and co.) destroied their old records after the events of the first game so that noone could produce more witchers.
Guaranteed the word “woke” will be thrown around left and right
More like it will be thrown from the right
I don’t get it, Witcher already has a bunch of female protagonists.
Don’t understand the hate. I also prefer sexy characters as I dont prioritize realism in games and am looking for escapism but that isn’t the game. If you want a game with sexy characters, there are plenty.
I often mod games to add that asthetic. I’ll probably wait for this to be on a big sale once there are such mods for that reason.
Don’t like what they’re selling? Don’t play it. Or mod it. Don’t screech on the internet that it’s not fair to you. You didn’t make the thing.
So much rage. It’s like complaining a romantic comedy isn’t an action movie.
It’s not even that, she still looks good. They’re mad she isn’t a college girl in a white shirt anymore. She has armor and an actual woman’s face, the horror.
joking (mostly)
I also like sexy characters and I’m livid every time I see a scantily clad woman without a male (or enby) counterpart.
I WANT MORE SEXY MEN IN VIDEO GAMES!
Why would they do this? Why would a producer produce something they wanted to produce???
