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that fucking comment 💀
Should be pinned ngl
It’s great because of how serious that post is then there’s a totally tonally different killer joke lol
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Unsubscribe from his manipulative trash and stop talking about him
Peoeple who do bad shit should be exposed before they are forgotten about.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of his initial fame came from sharing a first name with the creator of Linux. They’re both pretty toxic, but at least it seems like Torvalds is trying to change.
Well to be fair Linus Torvalds pronounces his name more like “lee-uh-nuhs”.
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Finally a normal safe corporate response rather than further digging a hole for themselves.
Naw, they’re gonna go back to playing Shovel Knight on one of the next WAN(ks) or so
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I’ll be amazed if he doesn’t fuck it up by eventually blowing up and deflect accusations on his podcast in the next 3 months or so. I’d (almost) give him a prize if he coils hold it up for this long.
I always thought his channel was really dummed down. I watched a video or two and then noped out of it. Wasn’t many if at all any tips from the so called tech tips site.
Oh and stating the obvious but he’s ‘sorry’ because he got caught.
I’m starting a new conspiracy that Linus knew all this was coming and that’s why he hired the new CEO. I have no facts but I said it on the internet so people will believe me.
That’s a good conspiracy! I call dibs on the next one
He took the blame for it in the video because he was in charge when these things happened. I don’t think he’d do that if he whole point was to blame it on the new CEO.
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He didn’t deflect to the new CEO in the original comment either:
To my team (and my CEO’s team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we’ve been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it’s clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but that’s no excuse for sloppiness.
Ah yes, the Tony Blair move
I know you’re kinda joking, but I think there is some truth to that. I think he made the decision because he could not manage the whole thing alone, and the workplace environment Madison described could well be caused by general stress and mismanagement
I’ve been under huge amounts of stress and have been mismanaged, but it never turned me into a grabass bully.
systemic issues like this don’t just come from nowhere. likewise, they didn’t just appear, either. nor will they simply disappear now that they’ve been exposed or with some glib promise to “do better”.
workplace atmospheres like this take time to develop and… fester. From what Madison described, it’s been this what from, at least, the time she started, which means these behaviors, these patterns, were existing, likely for some time.
What Linus knew, when, etc. may important in a civil case, but it’s not to me— He failed at his job, and didn’t ask for help/hire help to fix the problems until faaaar too late. If it was this bad for Madison, it had to be at least as bad if not worse for others before her who simply did not (or could not) speak out, as well as other who are still there.
Systemic issues do not affect only one person, and they don’t appear out of nowhere. Expect more bad news and expect that any resolution/fixes will take time and major change. If you don’t see any major changes over a reasonable amount of time, don’t trust claims that they’re “working on it."
Linus has a track record and proven history of doing/saying stupid shit. I think in this case, he recognizes that he’s just shit at his job and wants help. He most likely didn’t expect the Billet issue (no way he would have known Steve would have released a vid) and if he knew about Madison coming out, he’d have tried to prevent that sooner. Hiring a CEO won’t fix the Madison problem, as that event had already occurred.
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Managing a startup could be hard and stressful. But I couldn’t think Linus would go to this extend.
After this worker coming forward, I unsubscribed from all LMG channels.
Wonder how many international and domestic workers they’ve contract rugpulled, since this will probably be the one that flies under the radar due to all the other issues.
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Also, that meeting is exactly what I would expect from a good company. Somebody had an issue, or said they had an issue, and they made sure everyone was aware of the processes in place to address issues. If anything I think this audio clip is indemnifying of the culture.
I disagree. That meeting was apparently from right after when Madison left 2 yrs ago.
I think that’s the exact meeting you have after you fuck up, have an employee leave with cause to sue, and consult your external HR, who tells you to have that meeting.
Id believe it if they had more of those meetings over the last 2 years, and not just the one when they are trying to show that “no, no, thats not our culture! We had meeting!”
Additionally, maybe don’t start off with (and keep the tone throughout) that this is boring corporate mumbo jumbo blah blah. What a great way to get the people to continue the actions that got you there in the first place, and especially prove the further point to potential victims that you don’t give a fuck.
that is from when Madison initially left, that wasn’t a meeting that happened today
Am I a complete dumbfuck idiot or Linus is trying to diverge/twist this whole shit flinging into a “We got bullied bois!” situation?
I honestly don’t see that in the post. It sounds like good old PR bullshit, a mask for “we totally didn’t know this was happening but now that the public knows we are investigating!”
Afaik this investigation part was started by the CEO, not Linus.
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If you are interested there are essentially 3 problems:
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the GPU fiasco: Where they didn’t just bork a install. A small 2 man startup send them their (I think only or at least best) prototype for testing and even included the correct GPU to use it with in their packet. LTT for some reason tested it on a different one (obviously not working well there) and came to the devastating conclusion that NOBODY should ever buy this. Then instead of as requested sending it back they auctioned this prototype off at an event they hosted.
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the second problem that was also called out in the video published by gamers Nexus was a consistent pattern of publishing data errors in their reviews. And if such errors are caught, they would be inadequately handled. Maybe through a post under the video or by later replacing part of the video. If they caught an error before publishing they also often would just add a small onscreen text correction with an * instead of redoing that part. All problematic as many people will miss those corrections and thus be influenced by wrong data.
Those two points are especially problematic given the reach of LTT, since they are by far the largest tech YouTube channel. And thus influence a lot of people, especially beginners. Their initial response to these problems was also extremely bad.
- the third problem was a former employee coming forward with allegations of them being an extremely toxic place to work at. With sexual harassment, intense workload and so on.
Thank you, I spent so much time combing through posts and comments and your comment is the first time it has been succintly explained.
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I also don’t fully understand why people are so furious. Yes it’s some pretty serious alligations from Madison yes, and some dumb faults has happened from overworked stressed employees because of some bad company policies. Manny big companies have these issues at some point but you don’t hear about it because it’s handled internally or the company just slowly dissolves. LMG are at least open and a million times more transparent than I’ve seen many other companies be. Then own up to their mistakes now and are at least trying to fix things. Shutting down for a week is pretty drastic and for me it shows that they care.
TLDR: The LTT fan base has a culture of calling out bad actions by the company not because they hate them but because they hold them to standards.
A small company Billet Labs sent them a prototype to test. That prototype was designed for a 3000 series graphics card. LTT didn’t have that card at hand so they asked if it was ok to use a 4000 series card. Billet said they could try but it wasn’t designed for their card. LTT published a review of the prototype based on a scenario it wasn’t designed for and Linus told people it was a bad product. They later agreed to return it to Billet. They ended up auctioning it off at a convention (where some of Billet’s competition was).
Ultimately LTT paid an undisclosed amount to Billet. The actual damages of selling off a start ups only prototype (possibly to their competition) after agreeing to return it, after telling people not to buy a product (which was only a prototype) based on how it performed in a situation it wasn’t intended to be in is unmeasurable. They could have effectively destroyed years of work and killed the future of those people.
Linus said he didn’t use the correct card because it would have cost ~$800. The issue isn’t that he didn’t buy that correct card it’s that he didn’t decide to not publish a video on it if he couldn’t do it right.
On a podcast the other week Linus praised the LTT fans for not just agreeing with everything he does, creating a toxic positive feedback loop. This is them calling him out on his errors.
Yes other companies make these same terrible decisions. But their bad actions don’t justify LTT’s bad actions.
Minor correction, but Billet sent them a 3090; they lost it. It was found and returned eventually but yeah.
They threw shit at a small company by testing their product the wrong way.
I get that. It’s not cool. Very much not cool. But everyone makes mistakes or do some stupid shit like this at some point on their lives and should at least have a chance to make things right no?
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That’s true. And I generally don’t agree with the practices that have happened. I just hope they’ll at least get their shit together and get better at treating their hard working employers. I’m not so much of a pitchfork and torch guy and generally hope for the good in people. LMG certainly got a slap in the face now and a wake-up call it must have been. I just hope it’s enough.
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They did have a chance. Linus took the chance to respond by making excuses and deflecting blame. For fuck’s sake, he said they did not sell the prototype, they auctioned it off. That’s not even a valid excuse.
It’s not owning up if you’ve been caught red-handed, denied any wrongdoing, and only made an apology video once your subs started tanking. At this point it just feels like damage control.
Monetized apology video with self promotion. That is also important.
This isn’t about that specifically, but the gist of it is that they basically got a one-of-a kind prototype GPU water block from a boutique startup to review, and instead of reviewing it with the correct model GPU and sending it back as requested, they did their review on the wrong card, concluded it was crap, and then sold it at auction during their convention.
And GN calling them out on this and a pattern of getting many things wrong with Linus doubling down on the whole thing as a response.
And to make matters worse, insist that no amount of modification would justify buying that cooler ever. It’s literally covering your ears and muttering la-dee-da repeatedly.
The whole thing was terribly unprofessional but he is right an $800 water block is niche.
As I understand it, it’s not actually about this entirely. it’s that this has caused people to look into things and see that there is a long running history of poor content being pushed out due to issues in the workplace. The mishandling of the Prototype and the accusations by the employee are just extra icing on top of this already fucked up cake.
Everything you’re told in this thread + they put ads into their “apology” video
It’s like watching a trainwreck in real time.
What a corporate answer that says, now that the public knows we suck I guess we need to address it.
What kind of answer would you rather have. I’m seriously asking what should the comment have been in order for you to be happy?
This, but maybe not after what we got from Linus to begin with. This is clearly damage control and also is probable detracting from what limus actually feels which is f*ck you I can do what I want and I don’t owe you anything.
There is no way. Too many corp answers that were nothing but words have been published before for anyone to not be cynic about it.
But how to make it better? Do you just want LMG to disappear and leave 100 employers jobless, because that’s not nice either.
Yes. This. Because something else will rise in LMG’s place. Because other companies will see what happened and say we cannot let that happen here, because we don’t want a salted desert where our offices are. Because we don’t want our company to be a synonym for a fallen tower.
If abuse of employees led to business collapses, then we wouldn’t have edifices like Ubisoft who swim in their lucre while still perpetuating sex abuse rings among the upper management who take their choice of hot office clerks.
A company of a hundred employees getting razed over a scandal would indeed serve to spare tens of thousands of jobs more and allow developers to develop in peace without getting harassed by their management.
Well, start acting on what you say and trust will come in time.
Based on the response above they’re trying to do exactly that now. So maybe wait and see?
To be honest, I can’t remember the last time I have read a statement that talked about bringing in third party investigators. Is that common for corporations?
It’s usually something agreed to in a settlement or in a power dynamic situation like Apple telling a supplier they want a third party audit. It also happens when you have no intention of ever publishing the findings. That they’re proactively doing it with the obvious obligation to publish what is found and the consequence of it is most def a show of positive character. I think ya boy Hanlon is right when it comes to leadership at LMG - never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Maybe an inclusion of the word sorry.
And wording it so it sounds like it was written by an actual human being that gives a shit and not a dressed out HR drone that only knows corpspeak.
Maybe an inclusion of the word sorry.
yeah because we all know the internet is level headed and it won’t be twisted into a clear admission of guilt 5 nano seconds later…
Dude, crimes have been alleged. You do not say “sorry” in writing while a criminal investigation is looming.
This reads as it was written by ChatGPT.
They tried that with the video, it didn’t work.
That I can agre to. The word sorry bares some weight and to me it shows that you care even more than just doing damage control.
Unfortunately saying sorry is an admission of guilt. A sterile corporate response is the best they can do to appear impartial while the investigation goes ahead. The apologies may come later if there is truth to the allegations.
Saying sorry isn’t (legally) an admission of guilt in Canada
Oh I’m fine with the answer. With the information I gathered that same day this is probably the best they can do now. I would like to know more info about this outside investigation.
I feel a good majority of people are just in the outrage phase and there’s literally no response that would have been good enough.
If they’re smart, they’ll realize they need to address these issues in order to exist as a company people want to work at going forward. It’s in their best interest to not appear as a toxic work environment.
They recently got a new CEO a month ago because Linus the owner realized he was unfit for that purpose. It should have been dealt with years ago but I wonder if some benefit of the doubt can be given here seeing as the company was in a state of transition and probably would of cleaned up the work culture in private.
Or not because Linus still owns the company and the buck stops at the absolute top. He put his friend in high positions so it would cause a uncomfortable position when someone who wasn’t his friend lower down the ladder were to speak out. He has also consistently showed toxic masculinity in the way he acts and has spread it within the fabric in the company,
I have no strong opinion one way or another, but please tell me if I’m being unfair here on either side here. I think the company can still clean itself up and has shown actions before it was publicly known to address it, and I also think the company has misogyny in it’s corporate structure and DNA which will constantly be problematic.
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Dbrand, apparently
Dbrand will probably still make fun of linus and mock them because of this whole thing
This is likely to quickly become a problem.
We’ve got Smile Makers and Goop lined up, stay tuned for our new channel.
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