Seems like no stylus? If so it makes the starlite not very surface-like in my mind. Ain’t a stylus the reason for something like this?
Ah damn yeah, I was just thinking that this device might be something I’d consider blowing my budget for, if it can replace multiple devices. But the lack of stylus on a device like this is huge let down.
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They do have a generic MPP active pen as a configuration option though
How hard would it be to make it work with a third party stylus?
It depends.
You can basically always use the crappy ones made for general touchscreens to replicate your finger. You can’t use a real one with features like Apple Pencil/surface pen/wacom without an extra layer built into the screen to recognize them.
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Interesting. You’d think they’d make that obvious somewhere.
FWIW, my daily driver is a Lenovo Yoga with Ubuntu and the active pen works just fine with that. That support is definitely there.
Sure, because the Yoga has the extra screen layer to support active pens. Linux isn’t the problem.
it wouldn’t be hard at all you just buy a stylus that works like a finger
With the catch that it works like a finger meaning fat and imprecise. A stylus like the surface has is more like a pen and needs hardware in the tablet to function.
maybe 10 years ago
Not really. I’ve got a cheap stylus for my phone that acts like a pen, down to drawing fine lines too. It can’t adjust the thickness of the line based on pressure, like my Wacom pad and pen for the PC, but for most things it works brilliantly :)
Did you ever use the Nvidia Shield Tablet stylus? It was a very thin and precise passive stylus that worked on any touch screen. It was pretty nice. They probably only sold a handful of them, so there was no gen 2. I happen to know someone who was working on that project, so they let me play with it.
I have a surface and I love it. At the same time, I hardly use the stylus.
I’m sure it’s the reason many get it, but I also think there’s a large audience for a tablet without one.
I genuinely dont see the reason for a windows tablet without a stylus. Note-taking is nice with a stylus but for just holding it and watching videos or browsing a surface is honestly too unwieldly and the windows touch interface is also not great.
Agreed. Although I do use the stylus that came with my Galaxy Tab S7 for note-taking, that’s the only time I use it. 95% of the time I just use the tablet for browsing the web or watching videos.
My thoughts exactly.
I don’t need this, I don’t need this, I so need this… I mean I don’t… fuck!
Well, this month I am already broke…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the market for a new laptop or perhaps a Microsoft Surface-like tablet style system?
Well, Star Labs have turned their StarLite laptop into a tablet.
I have to admit, I love the form factor on this giving you the best of both worlds.
You get a sweet fully Linux supported tablet, and you can hook it up to a magnetic keyboard to get a full laptop experience too.
This is a proper Linux system too with open-source firmware powered by coreboot and edk II with updates via LVFS.
They support and test many different configurations, and you get a decent warranty with it too allowing you to to take your computer apart, replace parts, install an upgrade, and use any operating system and even your firmware, all without voiding the warranty.
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
I am of the opinion that if we keep waiting for the “perfect” Linux tablet, it will never exist. The specs of this unit are head and shoulders above any other Linux-dedicated tablet thus far.
I plan on buying one once I see a product review, and if it’s as good as I hope it will be, I hope that Linux users will support it with their wallets so we get more and better devices like this.
hmm interesting I might get this
I see soo many people complain about the CPU but if your CPU use too much power, your battery is going to take a big hit on battery life, unless the tablet now start at much higher prices. So the 6W form factor makes a lot of sense.
People complaining about it not being AMD. AMD just doesn’t make good 6W CPU (other then custom one but that would cost a fortune for such a little company). Intel has been really experienced in this market.
To the people scared about video decoding, Intel has really good HW decoding so 4K isn’t an issue. It’s better then AMD’s one on Linux from my own experience.
Finally this is a $600 tablet, so don’t expect a workstation to run Blender. Linux runs well on weaker CPU. My school computer runs KDE Plasma with a few apps open without much trouble and it has a Intel Celeron N5100 and 4GB of RAM.
The problem is that tablets like this generally can’t take advantage of the turbo boost on the CPU due to thermal throttling. I’ll wait and see, but I expect it to perform worse than an N5100 laptop.
Wait and see
Finally a decent Linux tablet that can actually replace many laptops. Only thing is that it would’ve been great with an i3-N300.
Would absolutely get if it had a pen for drawing and notetaking, but otherwise I feel it’s just a somewhat underpowered laptop in a neat form factor.
Oh damn, I may actually get it then
The best thing for me is that you can buy a battery for it on their site with instructions how to do the replacement. Nothing is glued together according to the manual (which probably makes it mory clunky than Surface but oh well). Coreboot is an icing on the cake.
I’m not sure on Starlab’s background or people’s stance on them, but I think this looks pretty nice.
Coreboot, 3:2 aspect ratio, magnetic keyboard, aluminium finish, I’d say makes this a pretty compelling alternative to a surface. Specs aren’t super beefy, but I don’t think they need to be in this form factor. Introductory price on this seems nice, too.
I’d say makes this a pretty compelling alternative to a surface.
And like a Surface, it puts a desktop OS onto a tablet, basically repeating Microsoft’s mistake.
Specs aren’t super beefy, but I don’t think they need to be in this form factor.
There’s a difference between “not beefy” and a super crappy 1.00GHz Intel N200. A hardware OEM just needs to go to AMD and pick off the shelf whatever is the closest thing to Steam Deck’s CPU.
Desktop OS on a tablet is fine and even preferred depending on what you want it for.
I have a surface and don’t mind using full windows that way.
I agree with you. I got a surface go for some time because I wanted to travel with a mini computer that could do some coding with my preferred IDE, document editing, web browsing and a couple other tasks like a computer, even if it was slower.
At the same time it being a tablet was also very useful to watch movies in other rooms!
I used the stylus only because I was curious, but didn’t used it more than a couple of weeks
Desktop OS on a tablet is fine and even preferred depending on what you want it for.
If the use case is to use a tablet as a tablet, then a desktop OS is not fine. Source: Me and my Surface Pro 7 which is unusable without the type cover.
Gnome shell works well on my vivo as either a tablet or with the keyboard.
The DE itself is less of a problem than the applications. On my Steam Deck in game mode I use Angelfish as web browser because all the mainstream browsers are just bad for touch controls compared to ones specifically designed for touch. You see a similar complaint in Windows forums were they sag that original Edge was better for tablets than Chromium Edge.
Cool touch applications like Krita Gemini and Calligra Gemini died because “fuck that touch trend, fuck QtQuick, GTK forever”. Now we’re stuck with applications that need a touchpad or mouse…
Cool touch applications like Krita Gemini and Calligra Gemini died because “fuck that touch trend, fuck QtQuick, GTK forever”. Now we’re stuck with applications that need a touchpad or mouse…
Wut… GTK is one of the very few touch friendly toolkits on *nixen. And neither of those apps were ever GTK.
GTK is one of the very few touch friendly toolkits on *nixen. And neither of those apps were ever GTK.
Of course they were never on GTK because at that time GTK was absolutely useless for anything touch and it didn’t really change until libhandy became libadwaita and kinda-sorta became aligned with GTK but is also not part of GTK proper. Gimp is not touch-friendly. Modern Krita somewhat is, Krita Gemini totally was.
I also have a surface pro 7, how is it any less usable without the type cover than any other tablet without one?
how is it any less usable without the type cover than any other tablet without one?
Most Windows applications work like ass with touch. Most iPad and Android apps work best with touch.
I mean sure, but you have the flexibility of a fully featured computer. You could run Android apps on it if you really wanted that UX.
In my experience all that really means is that you’re forced to use the stylus for precise taps or right click functionality sometimes.
I mean sure, but you have the flexibility of a fully featured computer.
Same flexibility would be there if the default OS was different. The same PC with Android-x86 would just as capable of booting other systems but the default experience would be touch (finger) friendly.
all that really means is that you’re forced to use the stylus for precise taps
Cool. There is no stylus included, though.
Well, presumably the Linux apps are a feature for the target audience. In terms of the OS UX itself, if you had never seen GNOME before, would you call it a desktop or a tablet UI?
I’d definitely prefer to have gone the AMD route for these, but N200 isn’t that awful, no? At least comparable to some Skylake gens? Not that that’s amazing in the modern day, but I’d say still capable enough with the included specs to not be too bogged down by some of the lighter distros.
Better off with a Chromebook 10/10 times if you need something low powered, but I think it’s an interesting entry to the hardware space.
I’d definitely prefer to have gone the AMD route for these, but N200 isn’t that awful, no?
I doubt it’s powerful enough to play back 4k videos smoothly and 1080p stretched to the native resolution doesn’t look super great. If AMD didn’t offer a vastly better alternative at similar cost, fine, but Ryzen Z1 and such are available.
I have an N100 box running as my Plex server. It has no problem transcoding multiple 4k videos at once. This processor is no M2 but it isn’t really a slouch either.
It has no problem transcoding multiple 4k videos at once.
At 1 GHz? Sure about that? Even if my performance assumptions are off: something like the Steam Deck CPU surely still beats it, especially in low power.
It can clock up to 3.7 GHz and has a decent GPU for an Intel one. All I can say for sure is that it keeps up just fine.
It can clock up to 3.7 GHz and has a decent GPU for an Intel one. All I can say for sure is that it keeps up just fine.
I see no cooling vents, so apparently passive cooling only and massive downclocking. Still think an AMD chip would have been better.
Well the desktop OS is what made me choose a Surface Go 1 as my main computer. And now that I’ve switched to Linux (Fedora), I’m even more thankful that you could apply every tutorial you found on the web for that tablet.
Oh cool. Glad it’s not ARM. Way more distro options.
Looks like a dope little device but at that price I think I might be more interested in a Steam Deck.
Steam deck kinda sucks for media consumption as a handheld, and it’s much heavier. But this thing isn’t gonna game well 😅
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Great to know, thanks for sharing
Okay but the real question is does the keyboard use QMK? Mnt Reform has set the standard for open source laptops imo, if I can’t program my keyboard then that is a massive downside.
Just use kmonad?
kmonad
Didn’t know about this. I’d still like QMK since I like having hardware level control, but this looks like something I’d use in conjunction with QMK. I should try setting it up this weekend. Thanks!
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Almost certainly not since the keyboard is $110 add-on. It is not included by default.
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That’s the same weight as my Surface Pro 9, which is a ton faster and has a bigger battery, fans and a slightly larger screen.
