Technically it’s for any printer capable of printing a firearm or the components of a firearm, which is…. every printer. What a bafflingly stupid proposal. If you’re in NY, please call your reps and tell them to oppose this bill.
Luigi would have passed a background check.
And didn’t even use his own printer (according to his confession/manifesto)…
was it even printed in new york? I mean im sure someone would never bring one in from jersey.
Everything is legal in New Jersey.
Why do you print like you’re running out of time?
Unexpected Hamilton ❤️
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- FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, “THREE-DIMENSIONAL PRINTER” MEANS A COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL
Well, that’s a broad definition. I guess to whomever wrote that, a CNC mill is also a 3d printer.
It’s not like inkjets produce 2 dimensional ink. I’d love to see someone argue in court that it’s technically impossible to create a non 3d printer
I’m pretty sure there are actual industrial multicolor 3d printers that use an inkjet design
Well achtually…To be pedantic,
A 3D consumer grade printer is not a true 3D tool since it can only move on 2 axis simultaneously. If you watch your printer closely, as it finishes it’s path around the xy plane, there is a tiny halt as it changes active plane from the xy plane to xz plane, lifts the nozzle, then flips the active back to the xy to go along it’s merry way again to lay down the new layer. And no, the hot new scarf joint is still a single plane movement. Sometimes such machines are incorrectly referred to as 2 1/2 axis because they aren’t true 3 axis.
Source: I’m an old retired toolmaker. Trust me Bro.
There is vase mode, which lifts the Z axis gradually while printing. This creates one continuous extrusion for the whole print.
That still isn’t a true 3D move.
How so? It literally moves in 3 dimensions at the same time.
It only appears so. It’s flipping the xz and yz planes only as it hits each quadrant. It just does it really fast. Looking closely at the layer lines will show you it’s not a true 3D movement.
At least they’re not defining it as a COMPUTER DRIVEN MACHINE THAT HAS LENGTH, WIDTH, AND DEPTH.
You can also technically make a gun with generic plumbing supplies or you could finagle one with random garbage and a drill bit.
Home Depot background checks are next.
You can fuck someone up real good with a 2X4 ( pronounced two be fore ). Yet I haven’t had to pay for a 2x4 ownership license.
You can also really fuck someone up with a big bag of shit…be it actual shit or rocks or concrete or just a bunch of shit from Good will (which could included actual shit). Where do we apply for big bags of shit at the DMB?
“Papers, Please”
and then they use that info to perform a credit check to ensure you’re not a “risk” to let into the store
May I introduce you to TM 31-210?
THIS IS AMERICA! You can’t post stuff like this outside of a classroom!
I am sorry (not), but I am speaking to you from Germany via an Austrian server. So:
Muh freduum of speek!
Did I do this correctly?
You forgot the screaming eagles and the guitar solo. Otherwise, a solid attempt.
Only if you say it louder while licking the boots of the people taking said freedoms away. Also you need to firmly believe that you are the free-est country in the world. Belief in angels is optional for now.
You can’t post stuff like this in a classroom… At least in the south
Uhhh… Hello? How are the kids supposed to live in constant fear of being shot of not reminded that guns can and do exist everywhere?
Trust me, in the south, half of them have guns
The windchimes are not what they seem.
Aww. He just died (David Lynch).
Kinda odd and you can see it in my comments, but yesterday I made a Lynch reference.
Then I talk about David Fincher, but since I always mix those two Davids up I was very consciously not typing Lynch later.
That was all before news went public so needless to say he was on my mind a lot of yesterday. Very Lynchian.
“I have no idea where this will lead us, but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both wonderful and strange“
2 pipes, 1 nail, 1 end cap, 1 12-gauge shell, done.
Yeah, a dude actually made a ton of money during a gun buyback, by making cheap pipe guns. The buyback program had a flat amount as the bare minimum, meant to entice people to turn their firearms in. It was like $200 minimum. He made dozens of $5 single-shot pipe guns, and turned them all in. And since they were technically functioning firearms, the program was forced to pay out.
LOL, and I got downvoted for saying the gun buybacks are stupid. People turn in crappy/broken guns for money to buy a better gun. Hell, I have 3 or 4 I’d ditch. Maybe more if you offered me $200 each.
Anything to avoid having to actually address the systemic poverty and bigotry ingrained in the system that leads to violence…
From what I understand the “problem” as it’s being framed in terms of ghost guns and inner city crime or whatever the buzzword is this year is not hobbyists running off a lower or frame for themselves. None of those guys in the hood and their switches are buying Bambus or building Vorons and suddenly turning into 3D printing gurus – Someone, or several someones more likely, are deliberately mass manufacturing these things for sale to the criminals which is already thoroughly illegal. Find the gun runners and stomp on them. I thought you guys were supposed to have this big scary police force and surveillance apparatus?
I’m a hobbyist 3D printer and I can barely get my minis to print half decently, never mind a functional firearm
California is cracking down hard on ghost guns right now… Its super important in LA. Its gotta be the single most biggest issue they are dealing with right at the very moment.
Ah. So I suppose that means California has successfully solved the skyrocketing cost of living and inflation, drought, rampant homelessness, and uncontrollable wildfires?
What do you mean fire? It’s ghost guns running the show! Lol…not lol. More like WTF?
It’s mostly a bunch of little hood gunsmiths, making them and selling them to customers. It’s literally the gun equivalent of an attic full of weed plants.
Awful. Literally banning science, because it can be misused.
We’d better go the full mile. Here’s my list of things to be banned, For Our SafetyTM:
- 3/4" and 1" galvanized steel pipe and endcaps
- Cases of matches
- Acetone
- Stump killer
- Milling machines
- Lathes
- Drill presses
- Hydrogen peroxide
- Salt, Sodium Chloride
- Stainless steel bolts
- Benchtop power supplies
- Sulfur
- Carbon
- Water
- Aluminum foil
I’m sure I can think of others if you give me a minute or two.
Iron rust. Can be used with the aluminum you included to produce thermite.
Brilliant!!! This is how we can criminalize failing to buy a newer vehicle!
new york will do anything but fix actual problems lmao
My guy, you got to look at it from the bigger perspective, the whole country will do anything buy fix actual problems
It fixed congestion.
We’ll see if that sticks, or if annoying rich car people get the reforms repealed. Hochul certainly seems pliable.
Rich car people will take it as the cost of doing business and have the roads to themselves like they wanted.
That’s actually ok. As long as it stops congestion and improves safety. That is the whole point.
Gonna require background checks to get plumbing supplies or to go to the hardware store? Cause I can make a gun a hell of a lot easier and quicker with that shit, than I can with a 3d fuckin printer.
It’s those rock tumbler crazies of the world.
Oi. You got a permit to tumble that aluminum foil?
Don’t you dare try it!
IIRC hardware store employees do pay attention to purchases that look like that and have phone numbers to call for it
You think those employees are paid enough to care?
Nope! But i bet management cares enough about it (or at least not being “that store that sold a shooter gun parts”) to make it painful if they dont.
You can buy from multiple stores and mix in a bunch of other stuff to make it hard for someone to figure out what you’re building.
Or just go to self checkout
The Home Depot near my house recently went exclusively self checkout. I hate it, makes me consider driving an extra 15 min to go to Menard’s or Lowes.
Embrace, use it as an opportunity to shoplift. Home depot is run by an asshole anyway.
Pfft.
I used to run a hardware store. We saw people assembling parts to build zip guns, potato cannons, pipe bombs, bongs, and other similarly related naughty projects all the time. You want to know what I did about it? I told them to let me know how it turned out.
Some boob from the ATF actually came by and tried to grill me real hard about ammonium nitrate at one point shortly after 9/11, and I had to tell him the same thing over and over again phrased many different ways until he finally got it, which was that we don’t sell any fertilizer other than prepackaged blended consumer products, i.e. we did not sell any pure nitrates to anyone because we could not, because we didn’t bother to carry them. End of discussion.
There was still plenty of crap available on my shelves to make a quite competent bomb if you knew what you were doing. But I didn’t go into detail and I sure as shit wasn’t going to go around teaching anyone.
Na the hardware store guys are chill
Luigi had no background to check.
This is pure flail.
How stupid, I use my printer to print minis for DnD. But, wait, it could theoretically print a gun, better get a background check, and have a waiting period of 6 months… fucking stupid.
Let’s try to address the problems that led to this. Nah, let’s try to ban stuff instead.
It won’t even be effective. As I pointed out earlier, hoodlums in the ghetto, who are the implicit targets of this, aren’t buying Bambus and becoming 3D printing experts overnight just to run off one off-the-books Glock. Someone with five or six brain cells to rub together is printing guns in quantity and selling them to the criminals. Anyone willing to employ that business model can and will simply kit build a printer rather than buying an off the shelf unit, which is certainly not difficult to do. It just adds one extra step to the operation for anyone who truly wants to do this, and 3D printing a working firearm is already a pretty decent commitment especially if you’re not already an experienced printer. Especially Glock frames.
Ehhh typically the hood gunsmith is the guy with a 10 stack of braincells, who gets an ender and becomes decent enough with it to print a lower, slap a cheap nbs parts kit in it and finish it with an even-cheaper-than-PSA upper, and sell it for $200 to anyone he knows, rinse and repeat. Really makes his money printing switches and DIAS.
Still though, stupid law.
There’s a 3D printer designed to also print itself, right?
That’s kinda-sorta the goal of the RepRap project, yes, but some ancillary parts are still required like motors and control boards and heater blocks and such.
Tell us your corporate paymasters are afraid without saying they’re afraid.
This is braindead, are they gonna require background checks for the hardware store next?
Don’t forget sporting goods and kitchen supplies. Heck, you can get a bunch of decent knives in IKEA, better put furniture outlets on a watchlist.
Or worse, buying guns everywhere?
You literally need ID to purchase silverware in the UK. Yes, they will absolutely do this.
This is second time they trying to pass this bullshit. 2023 https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/A8132
Oh don’t worry, there will be a third. And a fourth. And a… Well, more and more until it passes
It only has to pass once
Political hackers.
The people have to be successful every time, but the political hackers have to successful just once.
Are they going to require background checks for purchasing metal working equipment? Or maybe just make it illegal to bring any metal to melting point without a license.
Because you can make guns with metal.
It just buy a gun third party or at a gun show in a state without background check requirements.
This isn’t rocket science.
Ah yes, but then they’ll just make it illegal to buy and own 2nd hand stuff.
Very easy to hit your police quotas in a city where everyone is constantly committing crimes through basic commerce.
Book publishers tried that years ago They lost and the First Sale Doctrine was born
Background checks are a Federal requirement and any transfer requires it go through an FFL for just that reason There is no Gun Show Loophole
The loophole is largely in the matter of enforcement. It is comically easy to evade these regulation or outright ignore them.
Some actual gun control laws would be better, not to mention universal health care. What’s next on the list? Kitchen knives? Pans, pots? ;)
I grew up in NY. The gun control laws were draconian 45 years ago. I can’t imagine they have become more lax since I departed the state 30 years ago.
Doesn’t really matter if you can buy a gun in another state.
Have you ever tried? You can’t. FFL dealers cannot sell to residents of another state. If you want to buy out of state, they have to ship the firearm to an FFL dealer in your state to perform the sale. They can’t give it to you or ship it to you.
If they are licensed in your state and another state, and you purchase the gun in the other state, they have to follow the rules of your state.
Thos is Canada’s and Mexico’s problem
What I mean is a bordering US state, not another country. I don’t think Canada has the same problem with guns as you guys do.
The USA is a bordering state to us
It’s where the illegal guns in both nation-states come from
This is absolutely the best action we could take to address the gun violence problem.
Tighten background checks for guns: ✋ Tighten background checks for 3d printers: 👀
"People are 3d printing guns, should we require background checks on the required barrels/trigger mechanisms/ammo/magazines/rails etc?
No! We should require checks on the universal machine that can among a billion other things manufacture the plastic parts!"
One of those cuts into the profits of the gun manufacturers. Tell me which has the bigger lobbying group 😅.
