When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.
Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.
Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?
From what I can gather it isn’t true that Reddit culture has completely supplanted what came before, but it has definitely shifted things overall, both mixing to some extent. Scale is part of that though, as is the filtering mechanisms provided by a relatively niche platform.
Antagonistic downvoting (I’m now basically against downvoting I think), superficial statements, especially those that are dismissively in disagreement to the point of unpleasantness or abusiveness … I’d say I’ve seen more of all these things.
One effect, I think, is the establishment of Reddit replacement communities and their gaining large membership which has shifted the centre of gravity here. The whole of lemmy.world being an example.
Besides all of that, I’d say I’ve seen the generally or more frequently presumed set of “obvious” opinions shift toward the mainstream, which isn’t surprising at all, but with a slightly ruder and superficial form of engagement (at times at least), it’s rather tiring.
This is such an “us vs them” mindset and it just doesn’t work that way.
Reddit dominated internet culture for ~15 years. Reddit culture is just what internet culture is now. Any internet community that grows to a sufficient size will begin to exhibit the dominant internet culture.
Things aren’t black and white.
Reddit used to be “nice”. Then it became toxic. And now the toxic asshats are here and the moderators do nothing.
Feel free to report toxic behaviour. I do, and usually see toxicity removed and/or banned
Yup, moderators need to know!
Echo chambers are echo chambers, no matter the platform. As the voices grow, it gets louder. Just because it’s an alternative to the mainstream, I wouldn’t consider the members here smarter, more enlightened or savvier as a whole. Lemmy just got louder, that’s all.
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Everyone wants to pretend like the ones who left reddit where the good guys. Most of them just want the same thing: attention, controversy and bad memes. We where a part of reddit and as such, we brought reddit here too. Maybe is not you or me, but there’s people out there who will bring their toxicity everywhere they go. Be it Reddit, Twitter or Lemmy
Nice. Lemmy is finally big enough for “Lemmy sucks now, the old days were better” posts 🥲
Tragedy of the commons.
lemmy.ml on a good day had like 15 to 30 upvotes on the front page. There wasn’t much of a culture before.
See the traffic in April this year, a little over 4 months ago. Lemmy.world only been around for like 2 and a half months now. That’s the most active it’s been since before the exodus. The exodus definitely helped jumpstart the site.
Yeah, my answer to “has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture” is “what culture lmao”
Not that i was on Lemmy before, but i was on Mastodon before Elon bought Twitter and it was a ghost town.
It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive. But we’re not counting karma, so as soon as you recognize that someone is arguing with you in bad faith just block them.
It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive.
Exactly. About a month ago your most likely negative reaction would be I’m not sure if I would agree with that because of x and y but I could see why you would say that. Maybe you get ± 2 votes
Now they have to die on every hill to prove you wrong no matter what you bring to the table and magically it’s -10
And you go through their history and they have a two week old account with 27 fights picked.
Hopefully they’ll get bored of making new accounts and the block lists stay strong.
It’s most likely just a phase, though it doesn’t help I made something for it.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !downvotedtooblivion@lemm.ee
I wish I knew this aspect of the functionality sooner.
I don’t quite get what you made that community for?
Linking to bad content, that was downvoted, and then participating in a celebratory culture of them seems like an inherently toxic and negative thing? I don’t see how it’d help the issue.
though it doesn’t help I made something for it.
Are you saying you made it to help the issue, or irrelevant to it not helping?
I’m saying I made something that’s more becoming of something that’s not a phase, and the way you describe it isn’t accurate at all. It’s not celebratory in the least, it exist to examine the why’s, and your perception having been cast, I will demonstrate for you and all your upvoters who probably have either never been on Reddit or want to taunt for the sake of it.
You actually posted a screenshot of these comments? The -2 on your original comment counts as “downvoted into oblivion” as per the communities rules?
The community description says nothing about celebratory vs exploring as you claim it to be clearly one over the other here. And your example does not help that distinction either. It makes it more confusing / less indicative of your supposed intention - because rather than facilitating an open discussion and exploration you use a passive aggressive tone, and use this comment chain that was critical and started a discussion. You seem to be doing the opposite - specifically what I talked about - a toxic elevation.
It’s because of what it’s based on. It should be noted OP asked a question based on a real issue, and I answered optimistically only to be have it deceptively demoralized, especially considering the whole point of Lemmy is to be another, hopefully better Reddit, and for that to be rewarded more than the optimism, all the while the post grading system many promised wouldn’t exist. Hence I said (not passive agressively) that I would use this as an opportunity to demonstrate what the average Redditor would already know, since it did leave the door open to interpret everyone as taunting me “for the safe of [demonstrating the community]”.
Beehaw is still pretty nice :) The moderation is part of why I joined it. I’ve definitely noticed other community getting toxic comments in the past few weeks, though
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Just look at the modlogs and you can see what is deleted
Lol k
Lemmy doesn’t have a collective culture. Each instance has it’s own culture or will develop it over time, even though a lot of reddit vestige remains. (It’s only been like 2 months)
I don’t think toxicity ever will get too bad here, for the simple fact that if you don’t like the say, c/politics of one instance, you are always free to go to the c/politics of another instance or even start your own.
Eventually, the toxic instances/community will bleed users and die out, defed is a factor but doesn’t have too much to do with this.
The Reddit refugees came to Lemmy and made content. And everyone had a good time, except the occasional people that bitch about toxicity.
I think I agree. When I first moved here everyone was so nice, respectful, and willing to have an actual dialogue. Now it feels more like Reddit where when you say something every just immediately jumps to shitting on you, even if they interpret what you said wrong, or if they disagree. I also feel like there are a lot more of the “well, akshewally….” Types here now. There also seems to be people who honestly can’t grasp this isn’t Reddit, and brought the same mentality/trends with them.
I definitely agree. I pointed out that asklemmy@lemmy.world is becoming more and more like AskReddit and I got downvoted and got these sarcastic and obnoxious responses that are typical for reddit
The smaller communities are still very nice. I keep my subscribed to mostly smaller communities and then I go to all if I feel like it. Try that and see if it help!
It’s the circle of life. Something awful, the digg exodus, reddit, Twitter/x. Think of us shit posters as a sign of lemmy success.
Us goons really shit up everywhere we show up don’t we.
Goons are responsible for the destruction of so many good things on the internet. Best $10 I’ve ever spent.
